NY Times poll shows there's no "war on women", not even close

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Nope. What I'm saying, and I'm 100% correct, is that conservative views on sex, and Catholic views on sex, have not changed one bit since 2010.

Your side says that if it feels good, DO IT! As a result of that, numbers are up for unwanted pregnancies, abortions, divorce, infidelity, and kids born out of wedlock. That's irrefutably a result of making sex a casual thing. Those results, in my opinion, do not represent a great cultural leap forward. Your side won't have that conversation, because it makes you look crazy.

Which Catholic views? Santorums or the churches? Which divorce rates? Newt's? You know divorce rates are higher among Republicans, for whatever that is worth? You say too much patently untrue bs.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Which Catholic views? Santorums or the churches? Which divorce rates? Newt's? You know divorce rates are higher among Republicans, for whatever that is worth? You say too much patently untrue bs.

"Which Catholic views? Santorums or the churches?"

This may be news to you, but Rick Santorum is not the Pope. If he says something, he is not speaking on beghalf of the Church. The Catholic Church advocates family planning, which is a form of birth control.

"Which divorce rates? Newt's?"

Unless I said that no Republican ever got divorced, Newt's past has nothing to do with this. I said divorce rates are higher after the sexual revolution than they were before. Newt Gingrich's divore statistics don't reflect on anyone other than Newt Gingrich. You're going to pick one extreme case, and apply it to all conservatives? You think that's reasonable? Do you also assume Osama Bin Laden's actions tell you something about all Muslims? Godd luck getting out of that...

"You know divorce rates are higher among Republicans, for whatever that is worth?"

I didn't know that. I never said divorce rates are lower for Republicans,. I said that the sexual revolution (which was a liberal cause) had a lot of devasting consequences on the stable family unit, and nothing you said refutes that one bit.

"You say too much patently untrue bs"

One example please. I've made mistakes here, and I admit them. That's the difference between me and you, and between me and Spence.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I said divorce rates are higher after the sexual revolution than they were before.

You mean when a women's place was in the kitchen barefoot and making babies, not voting, not allowed to work also when it was a woman's fault if she was raped?

Head out of butt please. Pronto.

Or just stop wasting JohnR's poor bandwidth with this drivel.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

You mean when a women's place was in the kitchen barefoot and making babies, not voting, not allowed to work also when it was a woman's fault if she was raped?

Head out of butt please. Pronto.

Or just stop wasting JohnR's poor bandwidth with this drivel.

A very well thought out post, Glad you took a break from your MENSA meeting to enlighten us...

"You mean when a women's place was in the kitchen barefoot and making babies, not voting, not allowed to work "

No, I never said any such thing. I said divorce rates were lower before the sexual revolution, and I was irrefutably correct. It wasn't women's rights that caused divorce rates to skyrocket, it was moral decay, and the general view that sex is more casual than the way society viewed it then. I don't see how the acceptance of casual sex has helped the woman's rights movement.

"also when it was a woman's fault if she was raped?"

Abortions were always legal in the case of rape.

Was there anythihg else you wanted to add? Perhaps something pertinent?

"just stop wasting JohnR's poor bandwidth with this drivel"

In other words, why worry about silly things like the Constitution...

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

No, I never said any such thing. I said divorce rates were lower before the sexual revolution, and I was irrefutably correct.

Divorce rates where lower before we landed on the moon. I am irrefutably correct. They were also lower before Reagan came into office and Michael Jackson made the Thriller video. In my opinion, it was having an actor as president and his Hollywood mentality that led to higher divorce rates.


Here is some anecdotal (circumstantial ) evidence for an other possibility, based on a life experience of someone I was close to:
Female person friend was born into a very strict Catholic family. Parents were born in the 1920's, she was born in the 1950's. In the 1980's, she divorced her husband who was severly abusive; physically and mentally. Her father disowned her for going against the teachings of the church. He was old school Catholic and in his mind the circumstances did not matter in the Church's eyes. The percentages who felt the same were almost certainly higher for his generation than today. Maybe there are some changes in religious conviction about divorce, which are unrelated to the moon landing or sexual revolution, that have contributed with the divorce rate. That said, Reagan's Hollywood antics certainly correlate with the demise of marriage. I mean, look at his connection to Newt.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Divorce rates where lower before we landed on the moon. I am irrefutably correct. They were also lower before Reagan came into office and Michael Jackson made the Thriller video. In my opinion, it was having an actor as president and his Hollywood mentality that led to higher divorce rates.

Divorce rates were lower when the Pilgrims landed. Irrefutable.

BRB, need to go shoot Indians.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Divorce rates where lower before we landed on the moon. I am irrefutably correct. They were also lower before Reagan came into office and Michael Jackson made the Thriller video. In my opinion, it was having an actor as president and his Hollywood mentality that led to higher divorce rates.


Here is some anecdotal (circumstantial ) evidence for an other possibility, based on a life experience of someone I was close to:
Female person friend was born into a very strict Catholic family. Parents were born in the 1920's, she was born in the 1950's. In the 1980's, she divorced her husband who was severly abusive; physically and mentally. Her father disowned her for going against the teachings of the church. He was old school Catholic and in his mind the circumstances did not matter in the Church's eyes. The percentages who felt the same were almost certainly higher for his generation than today. Maybe there are some changes in religious conviction about divorce, which are unrelated to the moon landing or sexual revolution, that have contributed with the divorce rate. That said, Reagan's Hollywood antics certainly correlate with the demise of marriage. I mean, look at his connection to Newt.

Zimmy, I don't think putting a man on the moon led to higher divorce rates and more abortions.

Everyone who can think rationally for a minute knows that there are more abortions and divorces, because our society views sex more casually than we did in the past.

Your single observation says nothing about national trends, most trends don't aply 100% of the time. I'm not saying that there's never a valid reason for a divorce. Please don't put crazy jibberish words in my mouth.

You're coming unglued. Take a breath.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Zimmy, I don't think putting a man on the moon led to higher divorce rates and more abortions.

I actually don't know how to respond. It has been entertaining Jim