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Old 03-15-2012, 08:20 PM   #1
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Yep, you have nothing to offer.

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

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Old 03-16-2012, 06:36 AM   #2
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Kraut(not unbiased) nails it as usual....wanna talk about the President's dishonesty Spence? ....remembered the quotes just for you

""""""Yes, of course, presidents have no direct control over gas prices. But the American people know something about this president and his disdain for oil. The “fuel of the past,” he contemptuously calls it. To the American worker who doesn’t commute by government motorcade and is getting fleeced every week at the pump, oil seems very much a fuel of the present — and of the foreseeable future.



But the event that drove home the extent of Obama’s antipathy to nearby, abundant, available oil was his veto of the Keystone pipeline. It gave the game away, because the case for Keystone is so obvious and overwhelming. Vetoing it gratuitously prolongs our dependence on outside powers, kills thousands of shovel-ready jobs, forfeits a major strategic resource to China, damages relations with our closest ally, and sends billions of oil dollars to Hugo Chávez, Vladimir Putin, and already obscenely wealthy sheiks.

Obama boasts that on his watch, production is up and imports down. True, but truly deceptive. These increases have occurred in spite of his restrictive policies. They are the result of Clinton- and Bush-era permitting. This has been accompanied by a gold rush of natural-gas production resulting from new fracking technology that has nothing at all to do with Obama."""""""""

Seaweed in Your Gas Tank - Charles Krauthammer - National Review Online
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Old 03-16-2012, 12:04 PM   #3
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Kraut(not unbiased) nails it as usual....wanna talk about the President's dishonesty Spence? ....remembered the quotes just for you
Funny, you can't seem to refute a point nor can you get a highly paid pundit to do it for you.

Obama went on to say...

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Here is the truth. If we are going to control our energy future, then we've got to have an all-of-the-above strategy," he said in his speech. "We've got to develop every source of American energy—not just oil and gas, but wind power and solar power, nuclear power, biofuels."
Anyone disagree with this?

Regarding the Keyston XL pipeline, it's far from a no-brainer.

Yes, it will create "shovel ready" jobs...but only for 6-12 months. Most of the steel for the project has already been manufactured...in India.

Transcanada's own research for the US Government indicated the pipeline would actually INCREASE gas prices in the mid-west US and not have any real impact on domestic energy security.

http://www.keystonepipeline-xl.state...pt.pdf#page=99

And perhaps worse, the company has already been bullying landowners to sign easements or be sued to have their land taken under eminent domain.

All the Administration asked was for a new route that wouldn't threaten an environmentally sensitive area. Initially they said it would be impossible...then they agreed to do it.

If anything, Obama isn't playing politics and is evaluating the cost/benefit tradeoff for the Americans involved. You know where that oil will be going? To refineries in the Gulf Cost where it will be EXPORTED.

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Old 03-16-2012, 04:09 PM   #4
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Funny, you can't seem to refute a point nor can you get a highly paid pundit to do it for you.

Obama went on to say...



Anyone disagree with this?

Regarding the Keyston XL pipeline, it's far from a no-brainer.

Yes, it will create "shovel ready" jobs...but only for 6-12 months. Most of the steel for the project has already been manufactured...in India.

Transcanada's own research for the US Government indicated the pipeline would actually INCREASE gas prices in the mid-west US and not have any real impact on domestic energy security.

http://www.keystonepipeline-xl.state...pt.pdf#page=99

And perhaps worse, the company has already been bullying landowners to sign easements or be sued to have their land taken under eminent domain.

All the Administration asked was for a new route that wouldn't threaten an environmentally sensitive area. Initially they said it would be impossible...then they agreed to do it.

If anything, Obama isn't playing politics and is evaluating the cost/benefit tradeoff for the Americans involved. You know where that oil will be going? To refineries in the Gulf Cost where it will be EXPORTED.

-spence
Bill Clinton wasn't even buying this spin

any time that O starts a sentence with "here is the truth"...you know it's going to be a Whopper


you guys should really be much, much happier and confident

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