Trayvon

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by zimmy

The 911 phone call lasted for a substantial amount of time.. Did you listen to it? Also, I have seen the high detail video. It seems, to use one of your buddies on here favorite terms , common sense, that imminent threat of death or severe bodily harm would have caused a bit more damage. You right it is unproven but he did shoot and kill someone, who was unarmed. If Martin had busted into Zimmerman's house or gone after Zimmerman with a weapon without the provocation of chasing after him in the dark, it isn't even a story. It is the details that make it a story. I post what is reported about the night, you post a mostly irrelevant letter from a family member; irrelevant from a legal standpoint since the question isn't whether he killed him because of his race, but if he killed him because his own life was imminently threatened.

My only point in posting the letter was to show a side (potentially, I have no idea if its true) the media is not showing of Z. I have stated all along that we need to know the evidence before passing judgement. I have no clue what happened. If it was purely up to me, Z would be behind bars. But thats my heart, not my head. We dont know the details but I have to believe that there should be forensic evidence eaither way
There is a contant theme among liberals to immediatly doubt the police. I immediately believe the police. I was disqualified from a jury 2 yrs ago for a murder trial. I was asked if I would tend to believe the testimony of a police officer over a normal citizen and I said yes. I think on average, most cops are good people trying to do good things. I think most citizens suck

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I guess Trayvon must have been telling Zimmerman not to worry because he was just giving him a beating and not really trying to hurt him.

Missing the point completely. But, if I am going after a "punk kid in a hoodie" (not sure where you come off calling him that) with my 9mm on me, I better not be the kind of person who poops themselves if the kid comes back at me. That points to one of the cardinal rules of gun ownership.

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

My only point in posting the letter was to show a side (potentially, I have no idea if its true) the media is not showing of Z. I was asked if I would tend to believe the testimony of a police officer over a normal citizen and I said yes. I think on average, most cops are good people trying to do good things. I think most citizens suck

I think cops are citizens and like all realms of society, there are mostly good cops and a few bad. However, in this circumstance, I am suspicious that there may have been a tendency by some in the chain of command to hide behind the stand your ground law. Most citizens suck...interesting. That would make an interesting study, the correlation between opinions about citizens and political affiliations/tendencies.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Missing the point completely. But, if I am going after a "punk kid in a hoodie" (not sure where you come off calling him that) with my 9mm on me, I better not be the kind of person who poops themselves if the kid comes back at me. That points to one of the cardinal rules of gun ownership.

There you go assuming again. There is nothing to show that Zimmerman went after Martin initially, just speculation (which you seem to take as fact). And based on the trouble the kid had been in in and out of school, he is a punk in my opinion. Just because he's a victim of a shooting doesn't make him a good kid.

[Piscator]

[QUOTE=zimmy;931519]But, if I am going after a "punk kid in a hoodie" (not sure where you come off calling him that) QUOTE]

Most kids that get suspended from school for 10 days are "punk kids"

Doesn't mean he should have been killed but lets face it, he was no model kid

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by fishbones

There you go assuming again. There is nothing to show that Zimmerman went after Martin initially, just speculation

Speculation? Zimmerman said he followed him on the call to the police, and later in his report to police. Trayvon said he was being followed on the call to his girlfriend. That isn't speculation. This is friggin ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Piscator

Most kids that get suspended from school for 10 days are "punk kids"

Doesn't mean he should have been killed but lets face it, he was no model kid

Kids get suspended from school all the time. I am sure if you took a poll of this site, you would find plenty of suspensions on here. He was suspended for possession of marijuana. "most kids who get suspened are punks?" Scary stuff creeping out of the woodwork on here.

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Kids get suspended from school all the time. I am sure if you took a poll of this site, you would find plenty of suspensions on here. He was suspended for possession of marijuana. "most kids who get suspened are punks?" Scary stuff creeping out of the woodwork on here.

I never got suspended.

Most kids that get suspended are punks. Hopefully they learn from it and become responsible adults. Nothing scary at all about that statement at all.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Speculation? Zimmerman said he followed him on the call to the police, and later in his report to police. Trayvon said he was being followed on the call to his girlfriend. That isn't speculation. This is friggin ridiculous.


Kids get suspended from school all the time. I am sure if you took a poll of this site, you would find plenty of suspensions on here. He was suspended for possession of marijuana. "most kids who get suspened are punks?" Scary stuff creeping out of the woodwork on here.

Zimmy, we know Zimmerman (hey, we should start calling him Zimmy, too) was following Trayvon. We don't know how the altercation started, or how it progressed. Given that the right to self-defense depends entirely upon the details of the altercation, I'd say none of us are in any position to assume anything about whether or not Zimmerman was justified in fearing for his life.

And I believe Trayvon was suspended on 3 occasions. I'm no high school guidance counselor, but I'd bet every cent I have that less than 10% of high school students ever get suspended. And the % that get suspended more than once has to be very, very low.

That's not relevent to Zimmerman's guilt. It's very relevent in analyzng the disgusting media bias in this case.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Speculation? Zimmerman said he followed him on the call to the police, and later in his report to police. Trayvon said he was being followed on the call to his girlfriend. That isn't speculation. This is friggin ridiculous.

It's ridiculous that you can conclude that Zimmerman attacked Martin just because he was following him. That's quite the leap there. Is it at all possible that Martin turned around and went after Zimmerman? You'd make one hell of a detective with you're reasoning.

And yes, in my opinion he's a punk. He was suspended from school 3times for having a pot pipe and residue, grafitti (when they searched his locker they found burglary tools and a bag of jewelry), and truancy. Oh, and if you can find transcrips from his twitter account before his parents deleted it, you'd see someone different than the poor little kid with the bag of Skittles.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by zimmy

That would make an interesting study, the correlation between opinions about citizens and political affiliations/tendencies.

it would only make an interesting study if you stereotype.
Im a conservative who is not religious, believes in gay marriage, pro-life and that 99% of drugs should be legalized. Put me in the margin of error of your study. As someone who tries to be a thoughtful member of society, most people I run into suck.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

most people I run into suck.

That's too bad. Most I come in contact with are good, hard working people. Even the ones I disagree with on political matters are usually ok people.