new GOM cod regs are out

[Slick Moedee]

Let's not forget the role the council has played in this reduction. Bottom line is comm/rec support businesses etc are all screwed come 2013 unless something dramatic happens on the sci side of things.

[jasonsnova]

thing that bothers me is you have the average joe that goes out with a few friend on the weekend gets some fish for the freezer, but then you will have a 100' dragger that scoops thousands of fish in a single pass sometimes.......reduce the commercial take . not the rec guys. big differance. Problem is commercial guys put alot of pressure on noaa to let them take and take.... my .02

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by jasonsnova

thing that bothers me is you have the average joe that goes out with a few friend on the weekend gets some fish for the freezer, but then you will have a 100' dragger that scoops thousands of fish in a single pass sometimes.......reduce the commercial take . not the rec guys. big differance. Problem is commercial guys put alot of pressure on noaa to let them take and take.... my .02

They are fishing for the 99.99% of the population that can't or won't fish for themselves. The fish belong to everyone!

[jasonsnova]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

They are fishing for the 99.99% of the population that can't or won't fish for themselves. The fish belong to everyone!

problem is those draggers pickup EVERYTHING big fish ,little fish, rare fish....etc.
problem is worlds population is constantly growing,requiring more and more food, they should start more off shore fish farms to feed the masses in my opinion

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by jasonsnova

problem is those draggers pickup EVERYTHING big fish ,little fish, rare fish....etc.

Not true, try a google search on "rhule trawl"

[jasonsnova]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

Not true, try a google search on "rhule trawl"

i know what you are saying but after those nets get clogged with fish they start scooping everything.....
sorry it bugs me when we are out there jiggin away they a dragger goes by and scoops up everything in its path.
maybe go to rod and reel commercial ground fishing lol.....

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by jasonsnova

i know what you are saying but after those nets get clogged with fish they start scooping everything.....

You obviously do not know what I'm saying. Try doing the search suggested or contact the URI sea grant program.

[JackK]

Originally Posted by jasonsnova

i know what you are saying but after those nets get clogged with fish they start scooping everything.....
sorry it bugs me when we are out there jiggin away they a dragger goes by and scoops up everything in its path.
maybe go to rod and reel commercial ground fishing lol.....

Yeah that's not really true, even on a standard trawl, and especially not a Rhule trawl. 6.5" mesh doesn't get "clogged", at least in the GoM. Common misconception. But I still believe that the minimum mesh size going to 7" would make a big difference in the health and sustainability of our fisheries.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

They are fishing for the 99.99% of the population that can't or won't fish for themselves. The fish belong to everyone!

They are fishing for profit!
I don't have a problem with that because I do it too. Well at least that's my excuse for the expense.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by buckman

They are fishing for profit!

Would you do that job for nothing?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

Would you do that job for nothing?

I pretty much do

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

They are fishing for the 99.99% of the population that can't or won't fish for themselves. The fish belong to everyone!

Bull.

Yes the fish belong to everyone.

If the 99.99% of the population was the primary concern the fishery would have been shut down totally a decade ago. No consumer wants to pay $17 a pound for food that better management (i.e., allowing a fishery to recover) would make available for $3 a pound.

The codfishery (and other commercial fisheries) are managed for the benefit of the commercial fisherman......NOT THE PUBLIC. The public pays a cost of billions of dollars in the form of higher food costs as a result of this mismanagement.

Shut the fishery, when the fish are recovered reopen it. If the public came first that is what would happen. The reason it has not happened is because the public does not come first....plain and simple.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Bull.

Yes the fish belong to everyone.

If the 99.99% of the population was the primary concern the fishery would have been shut down totally a decade ago. No consumer wants to pay $17 a pound for food that better management (i.e., allowing a fishery to recover) would make available for $3 a pound.

The codfishery (and other commercial fisheries) are managed for the benefit of the commercial fisherman......NOT THE PUBLIC. The public pays a cost of billions of dollars in the form of higher food costs as a result of this mismanagement.

Shut the fishery, when the fish are recovered reopen it. If the public came first that is what would happen. The reason it has not happened is because the public does not come first....plain and simple.

The fallacy of your statement can be demonstrated by one statistic, the U.S. IMPORTS 70% of our seafood. No matter what the NMFS did, it wouldn't lower prices to the consumer.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

The fallacy of your statement can be demonstrated by one statistic, the U.S. IMPORTS 70% of our seafood. No matter what the NMFS did, it wouldn't lower prices to the consumer.

Uhhhhh, no, Mike, all that statistic shows is how closed your mind is to the reality of what is going on.

First, isn't most imported seafood is Asian farmed shrimp, Canadian lobster, and farmed salmon? Codfish may compete with the latter, but not very much the first two. Secondly, it says a lot about how bad fishery management is when imported salmon is cheaper than native codfish.

Obviously if the NMFS managed cod fish for the interest of the general public, rather than commercial fisheries and local political constituencies, there would be far less need and demand to import finfish for consumption, and those who choose to eat finfish could do so more cheaply. This would result in increased consumer surplus.......a major goal of national economic policies. The 99.99% of people commercial fishermen are "serving" would have more money left in their pocket after eating to spend on other things. You think they prefer it the way it is?

Codfish once were a hugely important national source of cheap protein. Now they are a luxury item. Fisherman can still make a living catching them since market price is high, but the consumers in this country subsidize this and get screwed doing so.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Uhhhhh, no, Mike, all that statistic shows is how closed your mind is to the reality of what is going on.

First, isn't most imported seafood is Asian farmed shrimp, Canadian lobster, and farmed salmon? Codfish may compete with the latter, but not very much the first two. Secondly, it says a lot about how bad fishery management is when imported salmon is cheaper than native codfish.

Obviously if the NMFS managed cod fish for the interest of the general public, rather than commercial fisheries and local political constituencies, there would be far less need and demand to import finfish for consumption, and those who choose to eat finfish could do so more cheaply. This would result in increased consumer surplus.......a major goal of national economic policies. The 99.99% of people commercial fishermen are "serving" would have more money left in their pocket after eating to spend on other things. You think they prefer it the way it is?

Codfish once were a hugely important national source of cheap protein. Now they are a luxury item. Fisherman can still make a living catching them since market price is high, but the consumers in this country subsidize this and get screwed doing so.

Don't look now, but a lot of the codfish you see in the markets is coming from Norway. Same for haddock, grey and lemon sole, and on and on. If you think all of that imported seafood is farmed fish and shrimp, you need to dig a little deeper in the statistics. Its not hard, the info is out there, if you just open up your mind and go look it up.