Pulled a tick off my leg!

[Matt D]

It's gonna be a bastard of a year for ticks. I'm almost afraid to get out into the turkey woods. A lot of my camo doubles for deer season use so I hate to spray anything on it. I guess I might have to designate an outfit for turkey huntin' only and spray the crap out of it.

[piemma]

Our dogs take something we get from the vet. It kills the ticks almost instantly

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by piemma

Our dogs take something we get from the vet. It kills the ticks almost instantly

got a name? we use proticall which is good... but not THAT good.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

got a name? we use proticall which is good... but not THAT good.

J:
Frontline Top Spot. It's kind of pricy but works well. I live on 15 acres in the middle of the woods and my dogs run outside all day. There is a knockoff called PetArmor that is a bit cheaper and available from WallyWorld. It has the same active ingredient as Frontline Top Spot and is actually made by the same company Merial. It says "kills ticks including ticks that cause Lyme Disease, fleas, and chewing lice. I have not pulled a tick off either dog in 3 or 4 years since we started using the stuff.

[Night Shift]

Originally Posted by Matt D

It's gonna be a bastard of a year for ticks. I'm almost afraid to get out into the turkey woods. A lot of my camo doubles for deer season use so I hate to spray anything on it. I guess I might have to designate an outfit for turkey huntin' only and spray the crap out of it.

It is called permetherin and I, as well as my bow hunting buddies, are paranoid about scent and thought the same thing. Now, we all spray our gear and we still regularly have deer, including mature bucks, directly under our stands. They just sniff around the base of the tree and your trail in, then move off cautiously as they did before. No difference has been noticed and some big, heavily hunted bucks have been dropped at very close range while using the spray.

[numbskull]

People should be aware that the diagnosis and treatment of "chronic lyme disease" is very controversial and well done clinical trials have failed to demonstrate a benefit from long term antibiotic RX.

This doesn't mean patients who have had lyme and don't fully recover are not sick, just that there is no confirmed way to "cure" them.

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by numbskull

People should be aware that the diagnosis and treatment of "chronic lyme disease" is very controversial and well done clinical trials have failed to demonstrate a benefit from long term antibiotic RX.

This doesn't mean patients who have had lyme and don't fully recover are not sick, just that there is no confirmed way to "cure" them.

George, I respect you, but I invite you to visit me and my wife at any time. You would choose long term ABX over what her life has become. There are NUMEROUS peer reviewed studies that show benefit from long term ABX. IDSA guidelines however were written by doctors who were clearly demonstrated to have ties to both drug and bio-tech companies who have a vested financial interest in Chronic Lyme not existing.

[Night Shift]

Originally Posted by numbskull

People should be aware that the diagnosis and treatment of "chronic lyme disease" is very controversial and well done clinical trials have failed to demonstrate a benefit from long term antibiotic RX.

This doesn't mean patients who have had lyme and don't fully recover are not sick, just that there is no confirmed way to "cure" them.

Just as with many diseases, treatments for CHRONIC Lyme are individualized, and because there hasn’t been ONE “confirmed” way to treat it, doesn’t mean there aren’t treatments that work , and that it shouldn’t be addressed with further studies and continued treatment of people with positive tests and a large number of symptoms. Invalidating people’s experiences only encourages them not to be open about their experiences and discourages collective study.

You are correct: there is controversy within the medical field over whether Lyme is 1) hard to contract and easy to cure, or 2) easy to contract and hard to cure. And yet, there are increasing numbers of specialists, and increasing evidence of many common complaints/ailments being attributed to chronic Lyme, so it would be premature to be dismissive. And it is also true, that some people will never be cured of Lyme, and that is truly unfortunate, but that can be said of many other illnesses, and people are willing to try the currently understood treatments, or participate in clinical trials in the hope of finding a treatment that will work for them and even possibly become the Standard of Care.

And MarshCappa, it is true that it takes at least 24 hours for a tick to transmit Lyme disease, as the spirochete lives in the gut of the tick, and requires the tick taking in a blood meal for the spirochete to activate in the gut and then travel up the gut and into the host. But you must be certain that it was less than 24 hours, and if not, an early dosing of antibiotics has been shown to work on acute Lyme.

I will refrain from any other posts in this thread.