What a #^&#^&#^&#^&.

[spence]

It was certainly a pretty dumb thing to say.

If you watch the full clip though, it's not an irrational thing for him to say. As someone who's against the war, the idea of a blanket label would call into question if it helps legitimize the policy. This is a philosophical question more than anything else and something I could see an anti-war liberal taking into account.

The soundbite driven cable programming is really not a good avenue for intellectual exploration...it rarely works. Hayes definitely realized he was wading into deeper water and appeared quite uncomfortable.

I think it's made even worse by Hayes fitting the weenie liberal stereotype to a T but in reality does anyone even watch his show? I tried once and the only good thing about it was that David Frum was on.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It was certainly a pretty dumb thing to say.

If you watch the full clip though, it's not an irrational thing for him to say. As someone who's against the war, the idea of a blanket label would call into question if it helps legitimize the policy. This is a philosophical question more than anything else and something I could see an anti-war liberal taking into account.

The soundbite driven cable programming is really not a good avenue for intellectual exploration...it rarely works. Hayes definitely realized he was wading into deeper water and appeared quite uncomfortable.

I think it's made even worse by Hayes fitting the weenie liberal stereotype to a T but in reality does anyone even watch his show? I tried once and the only good thing about it was that David Frum was on.

-spence

"it's not an irrational thing for him to say. As someone who's against the war, the idea of a blanket label would call into question if it helps legitimize the policy"

100% wrong, I cannot believe you would say something like that. The soldiers on the ground are not the same folks who decide to wage war, everyone knows that (everyone who has a brain, at least, knows that). Anyone with a brain, therefore, can clearly differentiate between the decision to go to war, and the valor shown by the guys with boots on the ground. If you cannot make that distinction, you have major brain malfunction.

There is no problem with being opposed to a war, but still giving credit to the soldiers kicking down doors and sleeping in the hills. I just can't believe that you would defend even this.

Spence, back in the late 60's, your fellow liberals felt the same way. Because they were opposed to what they considered to be an unjust war, they attacked the soldiers returning from that war. That was disgusting, stupid, short-sighted, and just about unforgivable. You liberals, you aren't really interested in learning from your past mistakes, are you?

Repugnant and stupid.

"something I could see an anti-war liberal taking into account."

I also can see an anti-war liberal taking this into account. Because ONLY a liberal would be so blinded by ideology that he'd be unable to give servicemen credit, unless they personally agreed with the mission. Only a true liberal could have a thought process so deformed and illogical.

I could care less what this guy looks like. What he said is revolting. And you have shown that cannot bring yourself to disavow anything said or done by any influential liberal. There is nothihng that a liberal can say that you won't defend.

Too bad you and Chris Hayes weren't alive in the 60's. Maybe you could have spit at a few wheelchair-bound vets.

Unfreakinbelievable.

Why don't you do both of us a favor and ignore my posts. I really have no interest in doing this dance with you anymore. You're a close-minded, brainwashed robot. A glorified parrot for the left. There's literally no need for you to respond to anything I say, because I already know exactly what you're going to say...liberal=good, conservative=bad. I get it. We all get it.

On Memorial Day weekend of all times. Unfreakinbelievable. Have you people no shame? Have you no shame at all?

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence, back in the late 60's, your fellow liberals felt the same way. Because they were opposed to what they considered to be an unjust war, they attacked the soldiers returning from that war. That was disgusting, stupid, short-sighted, and just about unforgivable. You liberals, you aren't really interested in learning from your past mistakes, are you?

I was there when the when the troops came home from Vietnam and were treated like crap. To this day I can't understand how the peace nicks could blame the troops, 2/3 or over 2 million of which were drafted.
Not an ounce ofcommon sense in the way they acted. All the things that Jim said above.
The only thing I could think of was their pure leftist hate for "the establishment", while at the same time s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g off it, still do today, and are now running the country into the ground with little hope of recovery.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by justplugit

IThe only thing I could think of was their pure leftist hate for "the establishment", while at the same time s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g off it, still do today, and are now running the country into the ground with little hope of recovery.

Where you sleeping during the Bush admin.? The worse presidency of our life time.

I've seen you (and Jim in Ct) express such hatred on this site for Obama that I just shake my head and thank God that I wasn't raised to have such hate.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Where you sleeping during the Bush admin.? The worse presidency of our life time.

I've seen you (and Jim in Ct) express such hatred on this site for Obama that I just shake my head and thank God that I wasn't raised to have such hate.

Wow, you are quite the judge of people you never met or know little about.
You have no clue who I am or what I believe.
I feel no need to defend myself or my opinions, but I will tell you I don't hate anyone. I wasn't brought up that way and my practicing relegion wouldn't allow me to if I wanted.
Sounds like you have nothing to say about how badly our troops were treated
coming home from Nam or about the far left antics and therefore throw an accusation.
Be very careful in setting yourself up as a personal judge,
"Pride goeth before the fall."

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Where you sleeping during the Bush admin.? The worse presidency of our life time.

I've seen you (and Jim in Ct) express such hatred on this site for Obama that I just shake my head and thank God that I wasn't raised to have such hate.

Now your off your accusation.
Please show me a post where I said I hated Obama,and in addition where
I praised Bush.
There is a big difference between hating a person and being deeply concerned
for your country and the future of your Grandchildren because of a person's
domestic and foreign polocies.
I'm sure Obama would be a great guy to hang with and have a beer , but the
first thing I would ask him would be, "WTH are you thinking with your failing
polocies."
Never hated a man, had a right to hate two, but forgave them both for
my own sake.
Take it or leave it Judge, it's the truth.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Now your off your accusation.
Please show me a post where I said I hated Obama,and in addition where
I praised Bush.
There is a big difference between hating a person and being deeply concerned
for your country and the future of your Grandchildren because of a person's
domestic and foreign polocies.
I'm sure Obama would be a great guy to hang with and have a beer , but the
first thing I would ask him would be, "WTH are you thinking with your failing
polocies."
Never hated a man, had a right to hate two, but forgave them both for
my own sake.
Take it or leave it Judge, it's the truth.

He's talking more about me, and I'm guilty as charged.

I detest Obama's policies.

I also detest him as a human being. Personally, I have no interest in having a beer with anyone who sat in Rev Wright's church for 20 years (and had Wright baptize his kids and perform his marriage), or with someone who bashes the Supreme Court at the State of The Union address, when the justices are sitting right there, and can't defend themselves.

I'm a deeply loving guy, and I guarantee I give more money and time to charity than Paul S does. But I detest Obama so deeply that I cannot say I don't hate him.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

He's talking more about me,

If that's the case he shouldn't have been directed at me.
I'm still waiting for the proof of his accusation.
Loose cannon.