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07-26-2012, 02:39 PM
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The shooter in the theater massacre would not have entered the property to do what he did if he thought he was going to get shot back at. If one person had been carrying in the theater, and that one persn shot back at the orange haired puke, a lot less people would have been injured and killed. So for all the guns around, how come there was only one person carrying inside the theater in Aurora?
If assault weapons are banned again, the only people who have them will be the government and the criminals. I don't want that to happen. I could have bought a Thompson years ago, # 266 of the first run of them since production ended after WWII. I had no desire. But if I knew what it would have sold for 20 years later I would have joined my co-worker and invested the $800.00 that day.
Wonder what it cost now to empty a 100 round drum of .45 amunition in just a few seconds?
Some people buy fishing equipment and some people buy guns.
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Swimmer a.k.a. YO YO MA
Serial Mailbox Killer/Seal Fisherman
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07-26-2012, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Swimmer
The shooter in the theater massacre would not have entered the property to do what he did if he thought he was going to get shot back at. If one person had been carrying in the theater, and that one persn shot back at the orange haired puke, a lot less people would have been injured and killed. So for all the guns around, how come there was only one person carrying inside the theater in Aurora?
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You're assuming a clearly irrational (i.e. bat#^&#^&#^&#^& crazy) person would behave in a rational manner...that's a stretch.
Certainly he intended harm and could have found another way, but you'd hope his means could be limited.
I've read the FBI stats on guns used in legal defense and it sure doesn't appear like it happens very often.
-spence
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07-26-2012, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
I've read the FBI stats on guns used in legal defense and it sure doesn't appear like it happens very often.
-spence
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What do you consider not very often?
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Professor Emeritus James Q. Wilson, the UCLA public policy expert, says: "We know from Census Bureau surveys that something beyond 100,000 uses of guns for self-defense occur every year. We know from smaller surveys of a commercial nature that the number may be as high as 2 1/2 or 3 million. We don't know what the right number is, but whatever the right number is, it's not a trivial number."
Former Manhattan Assistant District Attorney David P. Koppel studied gun control for the Cato Institute. Citing a 1979-1985 study by the National Crime Victimization Survey, Koppel found: "When a robbery victim does not defend himself, the robber succeeds 88 percent of the time, and the victim is injured 25 percent of the time. When a victim resists with a gun, the robbery success rate falls to 30 percent, and the victim injury rate falls to 17 percent. No other response to a robbery -- from drawing a knife to shouting for help to fleeing -- produces such low rates of victim injury and robbery success."
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Yes, Guns Kill, but How Often Are They Used in Self-Defense? ? The Patriot Post
Seems a bit more frequent than "doesn't appear like it happens very often."
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07-26-2012, 07:14 PM
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Brilliant analysis. It's certainly thorough, thought provoking and complete.
As an aside, I usually consult Charmin.com when trying to determine how much toilet paper my family really should be using.
-spence
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07-27-2012, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Brilliant analysis. It's certainly thorough, thought provoking and complete.
As an aside, I usually consult Charmin.com when trying to determine how much toilet paper my family really should be using.
-spence
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Response 2 of 2 that's merely condescension due to your lack of knowledge. Is it just that you're merely incapable of having a grown-up discussion with someone you disagree with?
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07-26-2012, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Swimmer
The shooter in the theater massacre would not have entered the property to do what he did if he thought he was going to get shot back at. If one person had been carrying in the theater, and that one persn shot back at the orange haired puke, a lot less people would have been injured and killed. So for all the guns around, how come there was only one person carrying inside the theater in Aurora?
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I'll tell you why... That theater was a "Gun Free Zone". The theater is owned by Cinemark and the corporate view on guns in their theaters is that only police officers should be allowed to carry guns in their theaters (some good that did).
Theatre In Aurora, Colorado, Was A Gun-Free Zone Like Virginia Tech - Investors.com
In AZ, any private business can post signs to create a "Gun Free Zone" restricting the carrying of firearms into their establishment. Any person that violates the businesses' policy can be arrested for trespass.
Questions and Answers: Concealed Weapons & Permits - Arizona Department of Public Safety
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