Ryan fact check

[spence]

Considering the GM plant was in his hometown I think that might count more as a lie than just spin.

I'm waiting for Jim to jump all over Ryan's near claim that Obama is out to kill grandma. I thought only liberals talked like that

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Considering the GM plant was in his hometown I think that might count more as a lie than just spin.

I'm waiting for Jim to jump all over Ryan's near claim that Obama is out to kill grandma. I thought only liberals talked like that

-spence

Spence, again, you recently denied that Michelle O said that she wasn't proud of the US until recently. Are you ready to admit you were wrong? Just want to establish whether ort not you have any credibility.

It was the liberals who made a commercial out of the idea that Ryan was pushing old ladies off a cliff. Is Ryan suggesting that? WHat I heard Ryan say, is that Obama took $700 billion from Medicare. I her Obama say "yeah, but we're paying for that by reducing reimbursements to doctors". If that's truem it still hurts grandma. Because lower reimbursements will mean more docs will refuse to accept Medicare patients. That hurts current seniors.

Try makiing that wrong...

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It was the liberals who made a commercial out of the idea that Ryan was pushing old ladies off a cliff. Is Ryan suggesting that? WHat I heard Ryan say, is that Obama took $700 billion from Medicare. I her Obama say "yeah, but we're paying for that by reducing reimbursements to doctors". If that's truem it still hurts grandma. Because lower reimbursements will mean more docs will refuse to accept Medicare patients. That hurts current seniors.

Try makiing that wrong...

He said it was at the expense of the elderly...same thing as pushing them off a cliff.

Most of the spending cuts are to hospitals and insurance not individual doctors. Part of the deal cut with the HCB was for the government to pay less in exchange for more people in the system. These would actually improve care to seniors as they would have more access to services for the same money.

-spence

[zimmy]

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

He said it was at the expense of the elderly...same thing as pushing them off a cliff.

Most of the spending cuts are to hospitals and insurance not individual doctors. Part of the deal cut with the HCB was for the government to pay less in exchange for more people in the system. These would actually improve care to seniors as they would have more access to services for the same money.

-spence

It is at the expense of the elderly. The feds are, on behalf of the elderly, reducing the payments to docs for treating the elderly. That necessarily means that fewer docs will choose to treat Medicare patients. That hurts current seniors more tha Ryan's proposal, which didn't change anything for current seniors.

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These would actually improve care to seniors as they would have more access to services for the same money."

Poppycock...