2016

[RIJIMMY]

My definition of average liberal is way to the left

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

My definition of average liberal is way to the left

This would be an accurate way to think about it. Most polls I've seen indicate less than 20% would self describe themselves as "liberal".

The problem is that the word is misused by many on the Right to mean anything I don't agree with

What I am surprised with though, is that Jim still clings to his fundamental misunderstanding as to what the Trinity United Church of Christ is really about.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

What I am surprised with though, is that Jim still clings to his fundamental misunderstanding as to what the Trinity United Church of Christ is really about.

-spence

Is that Rev Wright's church?

Spence, instead of insulting me and scurrying off, why not try to enlighten me?

What is Rev Wright really about? I claim he is a deranged, racist, hate-peddler. The man said that the federal govt created the AIDS virus to exterminate blacks (news to Pres Bush, who is credited with saving the lives of more than 1 million AIDS vistims in Africa).

So, Spence...what is Black Liberation Theology really about? What is the true meaning that I am missing?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence, instead of insulting me and scurrying off, why not try to enlighten me?

That wasn't an insult, it was just an observation.

Also, I don't scurry.

What is Rev Wright really about? I claim he is a deranged, racist, hate-peddler. The man said that the federal govt created the AIDS virus to exterminate blacks (news to Pres Bush, who is credited with saving the lives of more than 1 million AIDS vistims in Africa).

So, Spence...what is Black Liberation Theology really about? What is the true meaning that I am missing?

It's about black people believing they can be Christian, and how their faith can help them in the here and now vs the afterlife...that's what it's about. I believe Trinity is affiliated with the United Church of Christ which is as mainstream as Protestants get.

We've talked about this quite a bit, but you can't judge a man's entire life over a few sound bites you heard on FOX News. Yes, he has a few kooky beliefs, yes he's made controversial statements to provoke his parish to think, but you have little if any visibility to the other 99.9% of his time as minister or the works he's done to help guide his church and benefit the poor.

Do you think other ministers like Robertson or Falwell haven't been good spiritual advisers to some of their flock considering the terrible hate we've all heard them spew?

Besides, this entire topic is so 2008

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

We've talked about this quite a bit, but you can't judge a man's entire life over a few sound bites you heard on FOX News. Yes, he has a few kooky beliefs, yes he's made controversial statements to provoke his parish to think, but you have little if any visibility to the other 99.9% of his time as minister or the works he's done to help guide his church and benefit the poor.

-spence

its funny from my side of the fence Spence. I bet many many lefties would agree with you, but I remember when Don Imus made a crude joke and was dragged by liberals across the media as a raving racist. Yet the guy built a ranch for poor kids with cancer, a high percentage african american and he and his wife devoted their lives to this. yet that was not important to the talking heads. They were more upset that a shock jock, comedian made a deragatory racial slur. the guy was fired, lost his network and sponsorships. I believe Rev. Wright continued chugging along?

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

its funny from my side of the fence Spence. I bet many many lefties would agree with you, but I remember when Don Imus made a crude joke and was dragged by liberals across the media as a raving racist. Yet the guy built a ranch for poor kids with cancer, a high percentage african american and he and his wife devoted their lives to this. yet that was not important to the talking heads. They were more upset that a shock jock, comedian made a deragatory racial slur. the guy was fired, lost his network and sponsorships. I believe Rev. Wright continued chugging along?

No, the negative exposure forced Wright out of his church.

The Imus thing was a bit different. Humorous adult content is usually given more latitude, but even for Imus this even was quite cruel in a mockingly racist way.

Was his punishment overkill? I think so, but he also crossed a line.

-spence

[RIROCKHOUND]

Some perspective from my side of the fence

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Yet the guy built a ranch for poor kids with cancer, a high percentage african american and he and his wife devoted their lives to this.

I thought there was a big scandal b/c he has his brother ??? on a high salary there and also the ranch is only used for kids a few weeks a year while he uses the ranch the rest of the year.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I thought there was a big scandal b/c he has his brother ??? on a high salary there and also the ranch is only used for kids a few weeks a year while he uses the ranch the rest of the year.

i've never heard any of that.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

I believe Trinity is affiliated with the United Church of Christ which is as mainstream as Protestants get.



-spence

Yes, Trinity is part of the United Church of Christ which was formed in 1957 as one of the most liberal Protestant relegious organizations there is. They are the farthest thing from the mainstream Protestant Church going.

Obama was the keynote speaker at their 50 th anniversary in 07, and if my memory
seves me right they got into trouble for collecting campaighn funds for Obama
at their anniversary meeting.

Seperation of church and state.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by spence

Also, I don't scurry.

Come on, your suppose to constantly check back everytime you post something in case someone replies.