the republicans using FEAR !

[RIJIMMY]

yeah, I guess I am being too extreme when Jackson says

Sorry, my friend, but there's not time to snore.

An out of touch millionaire just declared warOn schools, the environment, unions, fair pay.

We're all on our way if Romney has his way.He's against safety nets. If you fall, tough luck.

So I strongly suggest, that you wake the f*** up."

I suppose he didnt say rape your daughter so its really not that bad. delcaring war is ok, really, nothing at all like the nazi propaganda against the growing european menace. who did the germans blame all their problems on?

[FishermanTim]

To me, any celebrity hosted political "mock-u-drama" or supposed "truth-filled" infomercial is just pure crap.

I wonder just how much money is wasted each and every day (let alone every election) spewing poltical garbage by PAID spokes persons?

Look for that "little" disclaimer on all the campaign ads that states "paid actor"!!!
The only real people are either desperate for $$ or work for the party in question.

If the politicians could only stick to the issues, and not waste my time with idiotic, moroninc, retarded rhetoric repeated each and every hour on each and every day. (If it wasn't true last month, or last week, or even yesterday what the hell makes them think that it will suddenly become true today?????)


Yeah, like that will ever happen!!!!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

yeah, I guess I am being too extreme when Jackson says

Sorry, my friend, but there's not time to snore.

An out of touch millionaire just declared warOn schools, the environment, unions, fair pay.

We're all on our way if Romney has his way.He's against safety nets. If you fall, tough luck.

So I strongly suggest, that you wake the f*** up."

I suppose he didnt say rape your daughter so its really not that bad. delcaring war is ok, really, nothing at all like the nazi propaganda against the growing european menace. who did the germans blame all their problems on?

So according to this video, Romney is an out-of-touch millionaire, who according to Obama, believes in "social Darwinism", and Romney doesn't care about those less fortunate...and we all know that Romney likes it when the wives of former employees die of cancer, right?

Spence, Zimmy, PaulS...how does this liberal narrative fit with the facts? Romney has given millions and millions of dollars to his church. That church uses a lot of that money to support Mormon missions, and those missions do an awful lot of good for people in crummy situations.

Romney served a 2 year Mormon mission. How many of us can say we put our lives on hold for 2 full years to help others? When did Obama do that, I must have missed that announcement? And Biden gives $300 a year to charity, but no one claims Biden doesn't care about the poor.

Got to love that liberal honesty. Bend over backwards to avoid talking about Obama's dismal record, and instead make the sheep out there afraid of Romney the selfish plutocrat.

What does it say about Obama, that he has to avoid talking about his record, and make up lies about his opponent?

And Obama floats above it all, he's not accountable for any of this character assassination.

If you want to hold Romney to task for outsourcing some jobs, fine. But do we have to have commercials saying that Romney doesn't care about cancer victims, when his wife is a cancer survivor for God's sakes?

Spence, Zimmy? What's your response?

You people have no shame, and your hypocrisy knows no bounds. If Obama wins, you deserve exactly what you're going to get.

[FishermanTim]

"If you want to hold Romney to task for outsourcing some jobs, fine."

Remember the old addage" Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?
How many Democrats have driven jobs overseas with their own personal votes and agendas?

Let's look at EVERYONE's records before we single one man out of the crowd!

These attack ads are getting old, boring and tired and they waste our time and OUR MONEY!!!

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence, Zimmy? What's your response?

You people have no shame, and your hypocrisy knows no bounds. If Obama wins, you deserve exactly what you're going to get.

My response is that I am done with this forum. It is boring and it is the same nonsense over and over, most of it based on bs I'd rather worry about important things like fishing and freakin late blight. Maybe I'll be back when someone like Huntsman has a chance in the elephant party instead of the current Bachman, Santorum, Romney freak show, and that ain't happening...

Parting gift for you, Jim:
"Mitt Romney claims President Barack Obama caused a doubling of able-bodied persons on food stamps by taking “work out of the food stamps requirement.” That’s an exaggeration. All but four states had already received waivers from specific work requirements for some or all of their residents before Obama became president."

FactCheck: Romney?s food stamp stretch

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by zimmy

My response is that I am done with this forum.

did you even look at that video? Are you proud of that? Proud of what it represents? Its not the same thing over and over, this is a new low. And one that I thought maybe some of you Obama fans would finally show some integrity and speak out against.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

did you even look at that video? Are you proud of that? Proud of what it represents? Its not the same thing over and over, this is a new low. And one that I thought maybe some of you Obama fans would finally show some integrity and speak out against.

"this is a new low"

For me, the new low was the ad suggesting that Romney either caused the wife of a former employee to die of cancer, or that he did not give a rat's ass about her cancer. Obama's campaign spokesman (Kristen Sutter?) said she had no knowledge of the details of this family, then audio of a conference call was leaked that showed that Ms Sutter absolutely had heard these details before.

Par for the course. And nothing that Obama apologists will touch.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

My response is that I am done with this forum. It is boring and it is the same nonsense over and over, most of it based on bs I'd rather worry about important things like fishing and freakin late blight. Maybe I'll be back when someone like Huntsman has a chance in the elephant party instead of the current Bachman, Santorum, Romney freak show, and that ain't happening...

Parting gift for you, Jim:
"Mitt Romney claims President Barack Obama caused a doubling of able-bodied persons on food stamps by taking “work out of the food stamps requirement.” That’s an exaggeration. All but four states had already received waivers from specific work requirements for some or all of their residents before Obama became president."

FactCheck: Romney?s food stamp stretch

"My response is that I am done with this forum."

Translation: Jim, you've got me, and rather than admit Romney is clearly a genuinely decent man, ansd that Obama is being dishonest in his character attacks, I'm not going to play anymore. Very mature...

"most of it based on bs "

Please specify one thing in my post that is b.s.. Just one thing...

"That’s an exaggeration"

If Romney exaggerated, let's hold him accountable for it. I'm all for that. But both candidates, even the cool black liberal, should be held equally accountable.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"My response is that I am done with this forum."

Translation: Jim, you've got me, and rather than admit Romney is clearly a genuinely decent man, ansd that Obama is being dishonest in his character attacks, I'm not going to play anymore. Very mature...

"most of it based on bs "

Please specify one thing in my post that is b.s.. Just one thing...

"That’s an exaggeration"

.

Jim, I didn't even read your post. i just saw my name. You are welcome to call checkmate if it makes you feel good

Jimmy, I didn't watch the video yet, but drawing comparisons between Samuel Jackson reading a script that says Romney declared war on the environment and unions is equivalent to Nazi propaganda? I have other things I will spend my time on.

[scottw]

wow...Spence has apparently lost his mind and is babbling complete nonsense and Zimmy is leaving the forums for ever...

this has been one heckuva week!

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I suppose he didnt say rape your daughter so its really not that bad. delcaring war is ok, really, nothing at all like the nazi propaganda against the growing european menace. who did the germans blame all their problems on?

Ok, I cave...

Jackson is really calling for war and the extermination of Republicans.

I can't believe I didn't see it, but now that I know, the truth is so clear.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Ok, I cave...

Jackson is really calling for war and the extermination of Republicans.

I can't believe I didn't see it, but now that I know, the truth is so clear.

-spence

Spence, Obama has said that Romney wants to implement "social darwinism".

Do you believe Obama is lying, or is he telling the truth? If you believe Obama is telling the truth...why does Romney give millions and millions of dollars to charity, and why did he spend 2 years of his life on an unpaid mission for his church? Good luck with that...

If Romney doesn't care much about the poor, why does he donate so much money, and (more importantly) so much time to help the less fortunate? When did Obama give up 2 years of life for an unpaid service mission?

Answer...Romney cares deeply about the poor. But despite his empty promises about not seeing red or blue states, Obama is stooping to lies to get what he wants. That's easier for Obama than defending his abysmal economic record.

Not exactly the change we were promised...

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence, Obama has said that Romney wants to implement "social darwinism".

If you diminish the safety net isn't that precisely what would be happening?

Do you believe Obama is lying, or is he telling the truth? If you believe Obama is telling the truth...why does Romney give millions and millions of dollars to charity, and why did he spend 2 years of his life on an unpaid mission for his church? Good luck with that...

Because he was raised a Mormon. I've flown out of Salt Lake and have been surrounded by Mormon's on their way to mission...they were as naive as can be and were doing what they thought their Church expected of them. They were really nice people mind you, I've never met a Mormon I didn't like.

If Romney doesn't care much about the poor, why does he donate so much money, and (more importantly) so much time to help the less fortunate?

Again, because he's a Mormon and tithing is a part of the church...when you're filthy stinking rich you get to donate more.

The real quest is why didn't he deduct all of it, I mean, that is a test to be a Republican President right?

When did Obama give up 2 years of life for an unpaid service mission?

If he did I'm sure Obama would call it Jihad, right?

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

If you diminish the safety net isn't that precisely what would be happening?


Because he was raised a Mormon. I've flown out of Salt Lake and have been surrounded by Mormon's on their way to mission...they were as naive as can be and were doing what they thought their Church expected of them. They were really nice people mind you, I've never met a Mormon I didn't like.



-spence

This could be the most telling thing I have read here. Speaks volumes of the way Spence thinks.
Let me just add...never met a Mormon terrorist

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

This could be the most telling thing I have read here. Speaks volumes of the way Spence thinks.
Let me just add...never met a Mormon terrorist

Please be specific.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

If you diminish the safety net isn't that precisely what would be happening?


Because he was raised a Mormon. I've flown out of Salt Lake and have been surrounded by Mormon's on their way to mission...they were as naive as can be and were doing what they thought their Church expected of them. They were really nice people mind you, I've never met a Mormon I didn't like.


Again, because he's a Mormon and tithing is a part of the church...when you're filthy stinking rich you get to donate more.

The real quest is why didn't he deduct all of it, I mean, that is a test to be a Republican President right?


If he did I'm sure Obama would call it Jihad, right?

-spence

"If you diminish the safety net isn't that precisely what would be happening?"

If romney is diminishing the safety net for no valid reason, than yes, you'd have a point.

Spence, you work in finance, right? Are you suggesting that Medicare and Social Security don't need to be "diminished" in order to be saved? If that's what you're saying, please tell me where the $40+ trillion will come from thatthose 2 programs need, if we leave benefits where they are.

Spence, you liberals have to stop these dishinest tactics. Medicare and Social Security will not exist post-baby boomers unless they are either (1) adequately funded, or (2) diminished. And the math shows clearly that we cannot provide promised benefits to all of the Baby Boomers.

Spence, we have serious problems. We don't have any mor etime for the tired liberal tactic of attacking conservatives who are trying to save, not diminish, the safety net.

I await yoru response, which will no doubt include specific details on where ytou are going to find $40 trillion so that we don't have to diminish the safety net...go ahead. either do that, or admit that you are full of sh*t.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

If you diminish the safety net isn't that precisely what would be happening?


Because he was raised a Mormon. I've flown out of Salt Lake and have been surrounded by Mormon's on their way to mission...they were as naive as can be and were doing what they thought their Church expected of them. They were really nice people mind you, I've never met a Mormon I didn't like.


Again, because he's a Mormon and tithing is a part of the church...when you're filthy stinking rich you get to donate more.

The real quest is why didn't he deduct all of it, I mean, that is a test to be a Republican President right?


If he did I'm sure Obama would call it Jihad, right?

-spence

"They were really nice people mind you"

So if Mormons are really nice people, and Romney is a mormon, are you saying he's a nice guy? And if that's the case, why is Obama telling people that Romney only cares about making rivh pepole richer? Do you think that's what Romney believes? Is that consistant with Mormonism?

Spence, one of these days you should try rational thought. Not all liberals are good, not all conservatives are sinister. Your hero Obama is telling outright lies. Obama knows that Medicare and SS cannot be sustained, yet he attacks conservatives for saying it out loud.

And you did exactly that, too. I'm really curious to see if you think that those safety nest do not need to be diminished in order to be saved. Please be specific...

Every good thing Romney does, you tarnish it. Every bad thing Obama does, you defend it. every single time. You might be the most predictable, thoughtless person in the forum.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So if Mormons are really nice people, and Romney is a mormon, are you saying he's a nice guy?

Can't say as I've never met him.

And if that's the case, why is Obama telling people that Romney only cares about making rivh pepole richer? Do you think that's what Romney believes? Is that consistant with Mormonism?

I'm not aware of President Obama ever claiming that's the only thing Romney cares about...but I think we'd all agree that Romney's policies would significantly and disproportionately benefit the wealthy.

Spence, one of these days you should try rational thought.

Good one, wow, still stings.

Not all liberals are good, not all conservatives are sinister. Your hero Obama is telling outright lies. Obama knows that Medicare and SS cannot be sustained, yet he attacks conservatives for saying it out loud.

No, he attacks the methods they propose to address the issues.

Be careful with the lie word. Unless you can justify it you should be using it.

And you did exactly that, too. I'm really curious to see if you think that those safety nest do not need to be diminished in order to be saved. Please be specific...

Indirectly.

Every good thing Romney does, you tarnish it. Every bad thing Obama does, you defend it. every single time. You might be the most predictable, thoughtless person in the forum.

That's simply not true.

I think Romney's government sponsored health care plan was a good idea. I think his balanced approach to the MA budget was a good idea. I think he showed leadership letting gay people get married as Governor.

The question is...WTF HAPPENED TO MITT ROMNEY?

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm not aware of President Obama ever claiming that's the only thing Romney cares about...but I think we'd all agree that Romney's policies would significantly and disproportionately benefit the wealthy.


No, we would not all agree with your framing and its implications. Romney's policies would, supposedly, benefit the so-called "economy." Which would, presumably, benefit everybody. Some more than others? How do you create "policies" that "benefit" everybody in "significantly" and proportionally the same way? Do Obama's policies "benefit" the poor and so-called "middle class" significantly and disproportionately over the "wealthy"? Is it the Federal Governments responsibility to benefit various classes? Is that class warfare? In a society of free individuals, does not the responsibility for "benefits" rest on those individuals? If it rests on a massive central government, then those individuals are not free. They are dependent on government for "benefits." And if we ask government to distribute, equally or proportionately, our benefits, we are asking, not only a bureaucratic impossibility, but flying in the face of human nature and the politicians desire to be elected and re-elected.

I think Romney's government sponsored health care plan was a good idea. I think his balanced approach to the MA budget was a good idea. I think he showed leadership letting gay people get married as Governor.

The question is...WTF HAPPENED TO MITT ROMNEY?

-spence

Perhaps he has realized, or has been forced to realize, that State government and Federal government have, constitutionally, different powers. Perhaps he believes that on social issues, State and local governments are more responsive to the "will of the people" in their different localities than a distant central government, and that the Constitution does not grant power over those social issues to the central government, but to the States and the people therein. Perhaps, he does not believe that it is the Central governments responsibility to redistribute benefits.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

Ok, I cave...

Jackson is really calling for war and the extermination of Republicans.

I can't believe I didn't see it, but now that I know, the truth is so clear.

-spence

No spence, jackson is saying that romney has declared war on them.

so again, then what was your take. the purpose of the video is not to spread fear? Did you see the map of the US states turning to red states? Oh the horror!
Its a fear mongering attempt to rally people. The same thing you, over and over and over, accussed Rove and Co of and yet it was NEVER as blatant as this.
That add was shameful and yet you cannot allow yourself to be critical of it! How shallow. Nah, you're not a lib, but you do come off as mindless

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

No spence, jackson is saying that romney has declared war on them.

so again, then what was your take. the purpose of the video is not to spread fear? Did you see the map of the US states turning to red states? Oh the horror!
Its a fear mongering attempt to rally people. The same thing you, over and over and over, accussed Rove and Co of and yet it was NEVER as blatant as this.
That add was shameful and yet you cannot allow yourself to be critical of it! How shallow. Nah, you're not a lib, but you do come off as mindless

You're not serious are you?

Did Rove star in his own ads? Did Rove make fun of himself in the ads? Did Rove self promote his own ads? Is Jackson running a Super PAC?

If I applied your logic I could go shoot my neighbor's dog because it has 4 legs and well you know people shoot bears.

-spence

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by spence

If I applied your logic I could go shoot my neighbor's dog because it has 4 legs and well you know people shoot bears.

-spence

shoot your neighbors dog and U could host a sit down dinner for Obama....