Spear Fishing Stripers

[Nebe]

Not as bad as a fly fisherman catching and releasing 40 schoolies in a tide... How many fish die from him???
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[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Not as bad as a fly fisherman catching and releasing 40 schoolies in a tide... How many fish die from him???
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would not know about catching 40 schoolies since I only have targeted big fish with a flyrod

But U could probably compare it to a shore striper forever fisherman fishing from shore and bouncing an under sized striper off the rocks to get it back in the water....give it an aspiran

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

would not know about catching 40 schoolies since I only have targeted big fish with a flyrod

But U could probably compare it to a shore striper forever fisherman fishing from shore and bouncing an under sized striper off the rocks to get it back in the water....give it an aspiran

yes.. that was my point. Or the cocohoe minnow crowd at the west wall in the spring... I used to do it, so i am no angel.

Fishing is a tough sport to justify when we break down the ethics behind it.. Especially catch and release.

[Rockport24]

Originally Posted by Nebe

yes.. that was my point. Or the cocohoe minnow crowd at the west wall in the spring... I used to do it, so i am no angel.

Fishing is a tough sport to justify when we break down the ethics behind it.. Especially catch and release.

Exactly, I mean if we were all really THAT worried about the fish, we wouldn't be fishing at all.

[DZ]

One of the bigger issues might be if they want to spearfish bass commercially. That would set off a debate with Mass R&R comm guys for sure. Here in Rhody it has come up with various species.

DZ

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Not as bad as a fly fisherman catching and releasing 40 schoolies in a tide... How many fish die from him???
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Probably none. The release mortality for small fish that are lip hooked is very, very low.

[numbskull]

The issue that alarms me regarding spear fishing is spot monopolization. A guy puts out a dive flag and you have to stay 100yds away by law. I can see that being a very serious problem in places like the Elizabeth islands where the very best spots are well known and heavily fished.

[numbskull]

Toby, as editor of a fishing magazine it would help all of us if you had better information on C&R mortality for striped bass.
Here are some articles.

Striped Bass Catch-and-Release Mortality Study | Careful Catch Maryland

http://www.laterallineco.com/fishing...hards_1996.pdf

http://www.fws.gov/northeast/fishery...rdetal2005.pdf




I believe the average C&R mortality is 8-9%. That includes lots of badly hooked and handled fish. The lower end for lip hooked non-bleeding fish is more like 2-3 % although it rises quickly in warm water.
Gut hooking fish also raises mortality quite a bit, and guys fishing bait with J hooks catching larger fish creates mortality rates closer to 20% (or higher in deep summer when waters are warm).

[scottw]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Toby, as editor of a fishing magazine it would help all of us if you had better information on C&R mortality for striped bass.
Here are some articles.

Striped Bass Catch-and-Release Mortality Study | Careful Catch Maryland

http://www.laterallineco.com/fishing...hards_1996.pdf

http://www.fws.gov/northeast/fishery...rdetal2005.pdf




I believe the average C&R mortality is 8-9%. That includes lots of badly hooked and handled fish. The lower end for lip hooked non-bleeding fish is more like 2-3 % although it rises quickly in warm water.
Gut hooking fish also raises mortality quite a bit, and guys fishing bait with J hooks catching larger fish creates mortality rates closer to 20% (or higher in deep summer when waters are warm).

these were the numbers that I found as well when I did some research last year after becoming a bit dismayed at the circus at some of the spots where schoolies were being hauled in by the hundreds daily and in every sort of manner.....oddly, some of the folks attending the circus and widely reporting and broadcasting the "great fishing" were the same folks that spent the summer bellyaching about the decline of the striper population because they didn't happen to be plentiful in their regular haunts....after seeing and hearing claimed totals of fish for the year in the several hundreds I began to wonder about who was actually doing what damage....you can do the math..

I've seen more spearfishing guys this year than in previous years but I think their numbers are still pretty limited as well as their range and ability to operate in rough conditions or at night when I'd rather be fishing...not sure why they want to make it a commercial endeavour though...when I have encountered them, I've usually been there first and have noticed that they seem to have little regard for the shore fisherman, maybe I need a flag or something

[tlapinski]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Toby, as editor of a fishing magazine it would help all of us if you had better information on C&R mortality for striped bass.

My bad, I said I read something recently and recalled those numbers. I poked around and found this right from your second link. While it does reference tests conducted in freshwater, I knew I didn't make up the numbers. Either way, there is simply NO ARGUING that C&R causes mortatlity to some degree and that was more my point. I own a speargun, but have never once shot or shot at a SB. I figure I can take them pretty much any time I want with RnR, so I have no need to shoot them. Blackfish on the other hand...

Despite the importance of the striped bass recreational fishery in coastal waters (Richards and Deuel 1987), little is known about survival of caught and released striped bass in saline environments. In freshwater, Harrell (1988) estimated the hooking mortality of striped bass to average 15.6% for fish taken on artificial lures and 30.7% for fish taken on natural baits. Hysmith et al. (1993), also working in freshwater, found mortality of striped bass to be significantly related to fish length, season, and bait type. There was a positive relation between hooking mortality and lengthclass. Overall, hooking mortality was 38% but was higher when live baits were used (58%) and was higher in summer (47%) than winter (13%). Experiments on striped bass in brackish-water environments suggest that salinity may have an important ameliorating effect on hooking mortality (RMC, Inc. 1990). However, there have been no previous studies of striped bass hooking mortality in saline environments.

Our estimates of striped bass hooking mortality (3-26%, 9% overall) are lower than others reported for striped bass: 36% in summer (Harrell 1988), 47% in summer (Hysmith et al. 1993). However, our study differed in several respects. Perhaps most importantly, both earlier studies were conducted in freshwater, whereas ours was in a high-salinity environment (mean salinity, 3 \%o). Although striped bass are euryhaline, freshwater may pose osmotic challenges that add to the stress of capture. In a 1990 study, RMC Inc. (1990) found that catch-and-release mortality of striped bass caught on artificial lures ("buck-tails") depended on salinity of 0-8 ppt. Hooking mortality of fish less than 46 cm at the lower-salinity sites (0-4%c) averaged 34%, but it was only 1% at the 8%o site.