Debate #2

[buckman]

The cow knew the truth when she helped Obama with Libya
I shut it off after that
She didn't just eff up she chose to perpetuate the lie.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

The cow knew the truth when she helped Obama with Libya
I shut it off after that
She didn't just eff up she chose to perpetuate the lie.
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I cannot recall the last time I saw a debate moderator take it upon herself to come to the rescue of one candidate. It was ridiculous.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I cannot recall the last time I saw a debate moderator take it upon herself to come to the rescue of one candidate. It was ridiculous.

And after she shuts off Romney twice and Obama says "show him the transcript " she waves it in the air !!!
A sure wtf moment......
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[Fly Rod]

Obama was quick to shut down Romney when it came about Obama's investments.....he acts like he is not a millionaire

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Obama was quick to shut down Romney when it came about Obama's investments.....he acts like he is not a millionaire

He's a millionaire several times over. But much like the Hollywood crowd, it's OK to be in the top 1% if you are liberal. Or an actor. But if you struck it rich on Wall Street, or as a small business owner, well then you must have left a path of devastation in your wake during your selfish rise to the top.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

And after she shuts off Romney twice and Obama says "show him the transcript " she waves it in the air !!!
A sure wtf moment......
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I saw that. I can't help but wonder why, as a moderator, she had that transcript handy. I can only think of 1 reason, and that is that she wanted to use it to help her preferred candidate.

I also love when Obama says he "created 5 million jobs", which conveniently ignores the 5 million jobs he lost during his first 18 months. Unemployment was 7.8% in January 2009, and it is 7.8% today. In total (and that's the only fair way to measure it), he has had zero net job gains. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Bupkus.

I mean, if I lose $5 million at the casino on Monday, and win $5 million at the casino on Tuesday, would Obama claim that I'm $5 million richer? Because that's what he is saing about his "job creation".

It's such a blatant lie, and no one calls him in it.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I also love when Obama says he "created 5 million jobs", which conveniently ignores the 5 million jobs he lost during his first 18 months. Unemployment was 7.8% in January 2009, and it is 7.8% today. In total (and that's the only fair way to measure it), he has had zero net job gains. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Bupkus.

It's a critical metric when you take over at the very tip of a massive purging of jobs. Without the job creation the unemployment rate would be in the teens...

Nobody can turn the economy around overnight and considering the depth of the recession even in a few years...can't be done in a global economy.

Today, unemployment is backing down, personal savings is up, the housing market is starting to recover and corporate profits are looking pretty good. I've read that the improving housing market could drive better than expected performance overall in 2013.

Romney is promising his policy will create 12 million new jobs, except they're already projecting 12 million new jobs under the current trajectory set by Obama's policies.

I hate to break it to you, but it's working.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It's a critical metric when you take over at the very tip of a massive purging of jobs. Without the job creation the unemployment rate would be in the teens...

Nobody can turn the economy around overnight and considering the depth of the recession even in a few years...can't be done in a global economy.

Today, unemployment is backing down, personal savings is up, the housing market is starting to recover and corporate profits are looking pretty good. I've read that the improving housing market could drive better than expected performance overall in 2013.

Romney is promising his policy will create 12 million new jobs, except they're already projecting 12 million new jobs under the current trajectory set by Obama's policies.

I hate to break it to you, but it's working.

-spence

"Nobody can turn the economy around overnight "

True. But not everyone is incompetent enough to add $5 trillion to the debt in 4 years, and all we have to show for it is a net gain of zero jobs and lower wages.

"I hate to break it to you, but it's working."

Zero job growth, lower wages, higher health costs, higher gas prices, anemic GDP growth...and $5 trillion deeper in the hole.

If that's 'working' to you, you are entitled to that opinion. But we can do better.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

True. But not everyone is incompetent enough to add $5 trillion to the debt in 4 years, and all we have to show for it is a net gain of zero jobs and lower wages.

It has nothing to do with incompetence and everything to do with larger trends.

Obama inherited a trillion + defecit and given the reduced tax revenues, war expenditures and pre-planned spending there's little a McCain president could have done to avoid adding similar debt. Sure, there's the gamble that stimulus spending was unecessary but I'm willing to wager it helped keep us slipping into a worse situation.

Zero job growth, lower wages, higher health costs, higher gas prices, anemic GDP growth...and $5 trillion deeper in the hole.

If that's 'working' to you, you are entitled to that opinion. But we can do better.

So you agree that nobody could turn things around overnight but the fact that things are getting better still isn't good enough, it's not fast enough for you. We could always sprinkle some magic dust on the US economy...that would fix the EU and China as well...right?

The problem right now isn't Obama, it's a political system that can't agree on even the most basic steps forward. Sure, there is plenty of blame to go around but either party would be well served to compramise with whomever is elected.

We know how the GOP responded to Obama's win.

-spence