More relevations on Libya

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

No, not black and white but we have a right to defend our soverign embassy land in any country. Just wouldn't have been Politicaly Expedient but would
have been an attempt to save American lives.
So we shouldn't have tried something because we didn't know if they were still alive or not???

Considering how many people were aware this event was unfolding do you not seriously think if we had military positioned to defend we wouldn't have sent them?

The 7 hour timeline is misleading. It wasn't a sustained attack on a single location, but rather a confused situation across buildings spaced far apart.

While there certainly was growing concern about extremist influence in the area there doesn't appear to be much intel an attack was preplanned. The local people protested the attack and stormed the extremists HQ just days after.

The most likely scenario appears to be that a problem was brewing, but the moment accelerated to conflict before our system had responded. i.e. it's not all about the video, but to some degree it is.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Considering how many people were aware this event was unfolding do you not seriously think if we had military positioned to defend we wouldn't have sent them? The 7 hour timeline is misleading. It wasn't a sustained attack on a single location, but rather a confused situation across buildings spaced far apart. While there certainly was growing concern about extremist influence in the area there doesn't appear to be much intel an attack was preplanned. The local people protested the attack and stormed the extremists HQ just days after. The most likely scenario appears to be that a problem was brewing, but the moment accelerated to conflict before our system had responded. i.e. it's not all about the video, but to some degree it is. -spence

"do you not seriously think if we had military positioned to defend we wouldn't have sent them? "

We did have military in a position to defend, and we didn't send them.

"but rather a confused situation "

The Situation Room knew of the attack very early on. They didn't know every detail early on, but they knew there were 20 armed terrorists in the compound, they knew there was a viscous firefight, and they knew that Ambassador Stevens was locked in a safe room, waiting for help that would never come. The fact is, we could have sent rreinforcements before the attack ended (maybe not in time to save anyone). But we didn't. Obama will not discuss why, until after the election. We sent a drone over the embassy to take pictures. That drone came from an American base somewhere, and somewhere on that base, are soldiers with guns who could have gone in after the drone showed what was happening.

Priorities.

Spence, if you want to provide us with any other keen insights into military capabilities and infantry tactics, please share them with us. Don't hoard all that knowledge to yourself.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence, if you want to provide us with any other keen insights into military capabilities and infantry tactics, please share them with us. Don't hoard all that knowledge to yourself.

You seem to have all the specifics, I wonder why you won't share them.

Where were the troops? What was the process?

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Considering how many people were aware this event was unfolding do you not seriously think if we had military positioned to defend we wouldn't have sent them?

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-spence

Spence, just came over the TV Marines were 2 hours away.

You tell me why they weren't sent?

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Spence, just came over the TV Marines were 2 hours away.

You tell me why they weren't sent?

Where? Who?

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Where? Who?

-spence

An anti-terrorism marine group from Rota Spain.
They were dispatced AFTER the fight was over.

Wonder if Obama,Joe or Hillary were visiting at the time if there
would have been a hesitancy to dispatch in real time??

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

An anti-terrorism marine group from Rota Spain. They were dispatced AFTER the fight was over.

Yes, immediately after it was over. This was public information the day after the attack.

Are you suggesting they were able to mobilize and deploy to Benghazi within hours?

A quick Google shows it's about 2000 miles line of site between Rota and Benghazi. Assuming they were on the ground and ready to go (which isn't likely) once word of attack came out you're still talking many hours of transport time and I'd assume several refueling stops. In other words they wouldn't have been there in time to do anything anyway.

Hence my earlier remark that had military troops been able to respond immediately they would have likely been sent. I still have not seen anything that indicates this was an option.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Yes, immediately after it was over. This was public information the day after the attack.

Are you suggesting they were able to mobilize and deploy to Benghazi within hours?

A quick Google shows it's about 2000 miles line of site between Rota and Benghazi. Assuming they were on the ground and ready to go (which isn't likely) once word of attack came out you're still talking many hours of transport time and I'd assume several refueling stops. In other words they wouldn't have been there in time to do anything anyway.

Hence my earlier remark that had military troops been able to respond immediately they would have likely been sent. I still have not seen anything that indicates this was an option.

-spence

Spence, are you denying that it was possible to get forces in there within 7 hours? Are are you assuming it wasn't possible, just because yuo don't know where are forces are. Did you try googling this?

Could U.S. military have helped during Libya attack? - CBS News

"A White House official told CBS News that a "small group of reinforcements" was sent from Tripoli to Benghazi, but declined to say how many or what time they arrived."

There. There were reinforcements in Triploi. Why weren'tthose forces ordered to assist?

"The Pentagon says it did move a team of special operators from central Europe to the large Naval Air Station in Sigonella, Italy, but gave no other details. Sigonella is just an hour's flight from Libya. Other nearby bases include Aviano and Souda Bay. Military sources tell CBS News that resources at the three bases include fighter jets and Specter AC-130 gunships"

And finally...

" the fact that the last two Americans didn't die until more than six hours into the attack, and the question of U.S. military help becomes very important."

Spence, you don't send people into harm's way, and then turn a deaf ear when they beg for their lives. I guarantee you, that if the order came to send in help, soldiers would get on the chopper without hesitation. The hesitation always, ALWAYS, is from politicians who care more about getting re-elected, than they care about saving lives.

I cannot fathom why this isn't a bigger story.

Go ahead Spence, let's hear your denial/spin.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Yes, immediately after it was over. This was public information the day after the attack.

Are you suggesting they were able to mobilize and deploy to Benghazi within hours?

A quick Google shows it's about 2000 miles line of site between Rota and Benghazi. Assuming they were on the ground and ready to go (which isn't likely) once word of attack came out you're still talking many hours of transport time and I'd assume several refueling stops. In other words they wouldn't have been there in time to do anything anyway.

Hence my earlier remark that had military troops been able to respond immediately they would have likely been sent. I still have not seen anything that indicates this was an option.

-spence

"had military troops been able to respond immediately they would have likely been sent. I still have not seen anything that indicates this was an option."

Spence, I just showed you that there were soldiers in Triploi. And there were soldiers in Italy, a ONE HOUR FLIGHT FROM BENGHAZI.

"Assuming they were on the ground and ready to go (which isn't likely) "

Spence, remind me, what's your area of expertise here? The troops mobved to Italy were "rapid response" marines. Which words in the phrase "rapid response" are you struggling with.

Now, the burden is on you. Please tell me why it wasn't possible to get forces in there before the 7+ hour battle was over.

Have fun with that.

[Jim in CT]

Finally Spence, we know that am American recon drone was flying over the embassy in teh early stages of the attack. That drone came from somewhere. Wherever that was, that place has Americans with guns. If the drone could get there, then the cavalry could get there.

What will it take, exactly, for you to temporarily cast aside your infatuation with Obama, and just be honest for a few moments?