The end of the Republican party

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by striperman36

You had hair?

Me too now I have the Merrill Steubing look
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[sburnsey931]

If and when the country votes the republicans out of office then it will be over....It didn't happen. ....
Like Boehner says.....We're still here and intend to do what we were elected to do. Stop the spending and get the economy going.
The beauty of our system of Government is if one party goes to far, "Obamacare"... 2 years later the balance of power shifts...(2010).
Yesterday it was a Status Quo Election. If the Republicans were so bad and obstructionist then why weren't they voted out of office. They are still there because enough of the electorate wanted them to keep doing it.
The won not because of performance or great legislation.. but because of the UAW bailout and the Dream Act. Great Political moves.
Hats off to Axelrod....

By the way .."I'm a wharf rat from Gloucester" 45 shows

[Jim in CT]

We all need to calm down and take a breath, and stop listening to what they say on MSNBC.

This election was not a widespread repudiation of the GOP. The popular vote split was 51-49. It just doesn't get a whole lot closer than that. This was not a Ronald Reagan-Jimmy Carter smackdown. And even if it was, the Democratic Party survived that, and they did it by becoming way more radically liberal.

The GOP will do fine in midterm elections, when the media can't demonize every single Republican running for the house and the senate.

There are 2 economic high-speed trains on a collision course in this country. (1) Our national debt is $16T, and growing by $1.5T a year. (2) FAR MORE IMPOERANTLY, 10,000 baby boomers a day are turning 65, making them eligible for social security and Medicare. Ten thousand a day, and that will last for 15 years. When enough of those boomers are old, sick, and have dementia, that's when we run out of money. This issue will make the current national debt look like a hiccup in terms of magnitude. The lowest estimate I have seen, for the projected shortfalls for SS and Medicare, is $40 trillion. Probably closer to $60 trillion. Ponder that for a minute.

When those 2 things collide, liberals won't be able to demonize conservatives for saying we need fiscal responsibility.

In the meantime...I'm converting 100% of my 401(k) to cash, and I'm waiting it out. When the inevitable happens, the result will be a recession that makes 2008 look like the roaring 1920's, and that's a damn good time to get back in the stock market.

And Marco Rubio has a damn good shot at becoming the President in 2016.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

We all need to calm down and take a breath, and stop listening to what they say on MSNBC.

I used to think that FOX was the worst, clearly MSNBC is the most biased media outlet for the past 6-8 years. I can no longer watch it and it was the one I watched the most. CNN runs circles around MSNBC in objectivity.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

This election was not a widespread repudiation of the GOP. The popular vote split was 51-49. It just doesn't get a whole lot closer than that. This was not a Ronald Reagan-Jimmy Carter smackdown. And even if it was, the Democratic Party survived that, and they did it by becoming way more radically liberal.

The GOP will do fine in midterm elections, when the media can't demonize every single Republican running for the house and the senate.

The election was close but until the GOP changes course on a few things they will continue to be close losses. At best it will be quick swings back and forth.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There are 2 economic high-speed trains on a collision course in this country. (1) Our national debt is $16T, and growing by $1.5T a year. (2) FAR MORE IMPOERANTLY, 10,000 baby boomers a day are turning 65, making them eligible for social security and Medicare. Ten thousand a day, and that will last for 15 years. When enough of those boomers are old, sick, and have dementia, that's when we run out of money. This issue will make the current national debt look like a hiccup in terms of magnitude. The lowest estimate I have seen, for the projected shortfalls for SS and Medicare, is $40 trillion. Probably closer to $60 trillion. Ponder that for a minute.

When those 2 things collide, liberals won't be able to demonize conservatives for saying we need fiscal responsibility.

In the meantime...I'm converting 100% of my 401(k) to cash, and I'm waiting it out. When the inevitable happens, the result will be a recession that makes 2008 look like the roaring 1920's, and that's a damn good time to get back in the stock market.

THESE TWO things are going to crush us but we keep kicking that down the road. Instead of acting like adults, our elected officials are refusing to deal with this. This is unacceptable.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And Marco Rubio has a damn good shot at becoming the President in 2016.

Don't know about that and 2016 is a little early to ponder.

[Jim in CT]

[QUOTE=JohnR;968195until the GOP changes course on a few things they will continue to be close losses. At best it will be quick swings back and forth.



.[/QUOTE]

I'll respectfully disagree. At the national level, the democratic party embraces partial birth abortion, and literally no limits to spending, and persecution of the Catholic Church. Most Americans don't like those things. The problem is, only one network talks about those things,all the other networks are essentially 24/7 commercials for Obama. For example, none of them are doing any reporting on Benghazi. Unbelievable.

Marco Rubio has it all. As you said, we'll see.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

THESE TWO things are going to crush us but we keep kicking that down the road.



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You can no longer say "we" keep kicking the can down the road. Rmoney/Ryan had a plan. It is now "they", meaning liberals, who keep kicking the can down the road. The conservative position on this is clear, that we need to fix entitlements. The liberal response is, "you hate poor people!!" Not exactly a solution, is it?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'll respectfully disagree. At the national level, the democratic party embraces partial birth abortion, and literally no limits to spending, and persecution of the Catholic Church. Most Americans don't like those things. The problem is, only one network talks about those things,all the other networks are essentially 24/7 commercials for Obama. For example, none of them are doing any reporting on Benghazi. Unbelievable.

Marco Rubio has it all. As you said, we'll see.

The last election might say otherwise.

And don't get me wrong, I like Rubio. I'm not convinced that he is the guy.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You can no longer say "we" keep kicking the can down the road. Rmoney/Ryan had a plan. It is now "they", meaning liberals, who keep kicking the can down the road. The conservative position on this is clear, that we need to fix entitlements. The liberal response is, "you hate poor people!!" Not exactly a solution, is it?

We - as in the US a we / us, not a they / them. WE keep kicking the can down the road. How is that for bipartisanship .

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The last election might say otherwise.

And don't get me wrong, I like Rubio. I'm not convinced that he is the guy.

The "guy" is a rare phenomenon in life, even more so in politics. Waiting for the guy is almost like Waiting for Godot. Again, as always, I refer back to the original constitutional system that was not dependent on "the guy." It was intended not to. It was largely a system of self-government with the guy in the White House being in charge of a few limited responsibilities. What we have now, of course, is a system where the guy (usually one of middling intellect and ability)in that House is somehow responsible for just about everything. No wonder that the guy is always making mistakes that have to be covered up or glossed over or excused by media accomplices--why he might not been on top of a Benghazi situation (which, ironically, would have been one of the few types of responsibilities that the Constitutiuon actually gives him). We have been suckered into a top down system of government that has grown too large to handle for those who run it. The dispersion of power and responsibility created in the Constitution, if followed, would go a very long way to alleviating the problem. No system of government or society will be problem free. But if freedom is the goal, and if freedom is the key to economic prosperity and the key to individual responsibility, then the original constitutional system of governance beats the crap out of the current tyrannical administrative system.

We - as in the US a we / us, not a they / them. WE keep kicking the can down the road. How is that for bipartisanship .

That is why waiting for the guy is no answer. And why treating the "can" as some entity that can willingly be kicked in various directions down various roads by the switch of some ballot buttons that only elect middling guys to govern our lives by a top down central system is no answer. They will keep kicking that can down the same road in basically the same direction because that is the road our current system has built for them. There are not other roads on which to kick it, unless they build new ones or find their way back to a good one--you know--the one that begins with a capital letter C.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The last election might say otherwise.

And don't get me wrong, I like Rubio. I'm not convinced that he is the guy.



We - as in the US a we / us, not a they / them. WE keep kicking the can down the road. How is that for bipartisanship .

"The last election might say otherwise."

Can you elaborate? I saw polls that say a small majority don't support abortion. I saw polls that said a huge majority thought the country was going in the wrong direction under Obama. I saw polls that said that huge majorities specifically didn't trust Obama to lead the economy. I saw polls that said huge majorities don't believe the Catholic Church should be forced to provide birth control. I saw polls that showed that a majority of Americans think the debt is a national security threat.

I saw nothing, anywhere, to suggest that a majority of Americans are more in tune with liberalism than conservatism. In my opinion (I could be wrong), we lost a very close race (51-49) because people don't know what conservatives stand for. They only know that all the networks except for one, are actively rooting for Obama. That, plus Romney is not a great campaigner, and the media/Obama machine spent a jillion dollars telling the lie that Romney is a real-life Mr Potter from "It's A Wonderful Life". That crap works, otherwise they wouldn't spend a billion dollars on smear ads. It couldn't be any more dishinest, but it's effective as hell.

We lost 51-49. When the economy collapses (not 'if', but 'when') we will get a whole lot more than 2% to switch sides. They'll flee liberalsim like rats off a sinking ship, Spence will be telling us how much he loves Newt Gingrich. It's inevitable. Absolutely inevitable.

I'd love to know what your reservations are with Rubio, other than he's inexperienced, but we were told in 2008 that experience isn't a qualifying attribute. Rubio is young, handsome, articulate, from Florida, Catholic, and Hispanic. I can't imagine a more attractive candidate, except for Condaleeza Rice.

I commend you on some serious bipartisanship!

Have a great holiday season John. At this time of year, I thank you for creating this site. Personally, I only went fishing once this year, which is pathetic. But that one trip was on Cape Cod with my 6 year-old, and this site, and the great folks here, helped make that vacation the best it could have been.

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

We all need to calm down and take a breath, and stop listening to what they say on MSNBC.

This election was not a widespread repudiation of the GOP. The popular vote split was 51-49. It just doesn't get a whole lot closer than that. This was not a Ronald Reagan-Jimmy Carter smackdown. And even if it was, the Democratic Party survived that, and they did it by becoming way more radically liberal.

The GOP will do fine in midterm elections, when the media can't demonize every single Republican running for the house and the senate.

There are 2 economic high-speed trains on a collision course in this country. (1) Our national debt is $16T, and growing by $1.5T a year. (2) FAR MORE IMPOERANTLY, 10,000 baby boomers a day are turning 65, making them eligible for social security and Medicare. Ten thousand a day, and that will last for 15 years. When enough of those boomers are old, sick, and have dementia, that's when we run out of money. This issue will make the current national debt look like a hiccup in terms of magnitude. The lowest estimate I have seen, for the projected shortfalls for SS and Medicare, is $40 trillion. Probably closer to $60 trillion. Ponder that for a minute.

When those 2 things collide, liberals won't be able to demonize conservatives for saying we need fiscal responsibility.

In the meantime...I'm converting 100% of my 401(k) to cash, and I'm waiting it out. When the inevitable happens, the result will be a recession that makes 2008 look like the roaring 1920's, and that's a damn good time to get back in the stock market.

And Marco Rubio has a damn good shot at becoming the President in 2016.

Exactly