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[Piscator]

Originally Posted by scottw

Scott Brown will get crushed running against whoever they put up to replace Kerry, it's Mass., his win was a freak occurance.....does Kerry have any kids that can inherit the seat?

Looking back historically, Massachusetts isn’t so liberal.
Since 1900 Massachusetts has elected 33 different Governors.
19 were Republican and 14 Democrats.
6 out of the last 10 Governors in Massachusetts have been Republican.
As for Senators, prior to Kerry and Kennedy (and it is going back a while), it was a majority of Republican Senators representing Massachusetts than Democratic.

Interesting to see that more Republican Governors have held office in MA than Democratic (here is a list)

Winthrop M. Crane January 4, 1900 – January 8, 1903 Republican
John L. Bates January 8, 1903 – January 5, 1905 Republican
William Lewis Douglas January 5, 1905 – January 4, 1906 Democratic
Curtis Guild, Jr. January 4, 1906 – January 7, 1909 Republican
Ebenezer Draper January 7, 1909 – January 5, 1911 Republican
Eugene Foss January 5, 1911 – January 8, 1914 Democratic
David I. Walsh January 8, 1914 – January 6, 1916 Democratic
Samuel W. McCall January 6, 1916 – January 2, 1919 Republican
Calvin Coolidge January 2, 1919 – January 6, 1921 Republican
Channing H. Cox January 6, 1921 – January 8, 1925 Republican
Alvan T. Fuller January 8, 1925 – January 3, 1929 Republican
Frank G. Allen January 3, 1929 – January 8, 1931 Republican
Joseph B. Ely January 8, 1931 – January 3, 1935 Democratic
James Michael Curley January 3, 1935 – January 7, 1937 Democratic
Charles F. Hurley January 7, 1937 – January 5, 1939 Democratic
Leverett Saltonstall January 5, 1939 – January 3, 1945 Republican
Maurice J. Tobin January 3, 1945 – January 2, 1947 Democratic
Robert F. Bradford January 2, 1947 – January 6, 1949 Republican
Paul A. Dever January 6, 1949 – January 8, 1953 Democratic
Christian Herter January 8, 1953 – January 3, 1957 Republican
Foster Furcolo January 3, 1957 – January 5, 1961 Democratic
John A. Volpe January 5, 1961 – January 3, 1963 Republican
Endicott Peabody January 3, 1963 – January 7, 1965 Democratic
John A. Volpe January 7, 1965 – January 22, 1969 Republican
Francis W. Sargent January 22, 1969 – January 2, 1975 Republican
Michael Dukakis January 2, 1975 – January 4, 1979 Democratic
Edward J. King January 4, 1979 – January 6, 1983 Democratic
Michael Dukakis January 6, 1983 – January 3, 1991 Democratic
William Weld January 3, 1991 – July 29, 1997 Republican
Paul Cellucci July 29, 1997 – April 10, 2001 Republican
Jane Swift April 10, 2001 – January 2, 2003 Republican
Mitt Romney January 2, 2003 – January 4, 2007 Republican
Deval Patrick January 4, 2007 – Present Democratic

[scottw]

[QUOTE=Piscator;969053]Looking back historically, Massachusetts isn’t so liberal.
Since 1900 Massachusetts has elected 33 different Governors.
19 were Republican and 14 Democrats.
6 out of the last 10 Governors in Massachusetts have been Republican.
As for Senators, prior to Kerry and Kennedy (and it is going back a while), it was a majority of Republican Senators representing Massachusetts than Democratic. QUOTE


so you're saying he's got a shot? "historically speaking"

Massachusetts

Senators

Sen. John Kerry [D]
Sen. Scott Brown [R].....eeeeeeerrrrr...Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D)

Representatives

1st District
Rep. John Olver [D]
2nd District
Rep. Richard Neal [D]
3rd District
Rep. James “Jim” McGovern [D]
4th District
Rep. Barney Frank [D]..... Some Kennedy (D)
5th District Rep.
Niki Tsongas [D]
6th District
Rep. John Tierney [D]
7th District
Rep. Edward “Ed” Markey [D]
8th District
Rep. Michael Capuano [D]
9th District
Rep. Stephen Lynch [D]
10th District
Rep. William Keating [D]

Map DataMap data ©2012 Google - Terms of UseMap DataMap

[Piscator]

[QUOTE=scottw;969059]

Originally Posted by Piscator

Looking back historically, Massachusetts isn’t so liberal.
Since 1900 Massachusetts has elected 33 different Governors.
19 were Republican and 14 Democrats.
6 out of the last 10 Governors in Massachusetts have been Republican.
As for Senators, prior to Kerry and Kennedy (and it is going back a while), it was a majority of Republican Senators representing Massachusetts than Democratic. QUOTE


so you're saying he's got a shot? "historically speaking"

Massachusetts

Senators

Sen. John Kerry [D]
Sen. Scott Brown [R].....eeeeeeerrrrr...Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D)

Representatives

1st District
Rep. John Olver [D]
2nd District
Rep. Richard Neal [D]
3rd District
Rep. James “Jim” McGovern [D]
4th District
Rep. Barney Frank [D]..... Some Kennedy (D)
5th District Rep.
Niki Tsongas [D]
6th District
Rep. John Tierney [D]
7th District
Rep. Edward “Ed” Markey [D]
8th District
Rep. Michael Capuano [D]
9th District
Rep. Stephen Lynch [D]
10th District
Rep. William Keating [D]

Map DataMap data ©2012 Google - Terms of UseMap DataMap

Yes, I'd say he has a shot. Massachusetts is a wierd place when it comes to Politics
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[scottw]

[QUOTE=Piscator;969067]

Originally Posted by scottw

Yes, I'd say he has a shot. Massachusetts is a wierd place when it comes to Politics
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recent historical trends do not bode well

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by Piscator

Looking back historically, Massachusetts isn’t so liberal.
Since 1900 Massachusetts has elected 33 different Governors.
19 were Republican and 14 Democrats.
6 out of the last 10 Governors in Massachusetts have been Republican.
As for Senators, prior to Kerry and Kennedy (and it is going back a while), it was a majority of Republican Senators representing Massachusetts than Democratic.

Interesting to see that more Republican Governors have held office in MA than Democratic (here is a list)

Winthrop M. Crane January 4, 1900 – January 8, 1903 Republican
John L. Bates January 8, 1903 – January 5, 1905 Republican
William Lewis Douglas January 5, 1905 – January 4, 1906 Democratic
Curtis Guild, Jr. January 4, 1906 – January 7, 1909 Republican
Ebenezer Draper January 7, 1909 – January 5, 1911 Republican
Eugene Foss January 5, 1911 – January 8, 1914 Democratic
David I. Walsh January 8, 1914 – January 6, 1916 Democratic
Samuel W. McCall January 6, 1916 – January 2, 1919 Republican
Calvin Coolidge January 2, 1919 – January 6, 1921 Republican
Channing H. Cox January 6, 1921 – January 8, 1925 Republican
Alvan T. Fuller January 8, 1925 – January 3, 1929 Republican
Frank G. Allen January 3, 1929 – January 8, 1931 Republican
Joseph B. Ely January 8, 1931 – January 3, 1935 Democratic
James Michael Curley January 3, 1935 – January 7, 1937 Democratic
Charles F. Hurley January 7, 1937 – January 5, 1939 Democratic
Leverett Saltonstall January 5, 1939 – January 3, 1945 Republican
Maurice J. Tobin January 3, 1945 – January 2, 1947 Democratic
Robert F. Bradford January 2, 1947 – January 6, 1949 Republican
Paul A. Dever January 6, 1949 – January 8, 1953 Democratic
Christian Herter January 8, 1953 – January 3, 1957 Republican
Foster Furcolo January 3, 1957 – January 5, 1961 Democratic
John A. Volpe January 5, 1961 – January 3, 1963 Republican
Endicott Peabody January 3, 1963 – January 7, 1965 Democratic
John A. Volpe January 7, 1965 – January 22, 1969 Republican
Francis W. Sargent January 22, 1969 – January 2, 1975 Republican
Michael Dukakis January 2, 1975 – January 4, 1979 Democratic
Edward J. King January 4, 1979 – January 6, 1983 Democratic
Michael Dukakis January 6, 1983 – January 3, 1991 Democratic
William Weld January 3, 1991 – July 29, 1997 Republican
Paul Cellucci July 29, 1997 – April 10, 2001 Republican
Jane Swift April 10, 2001 – January 2, 2003 Republican
Mitt Romney January 2, 2003 – January 4, 2007 Republican
Deval Patrick January 4, 2007 – Present Democratic

They put Tierney back in office Who has definitely had some sort of a role in an illegal gambling ring. I don't care who you are, your wife has an additional $240,000 hanging around you know about it.

Then there is the woman from Athol who got voted back into the house even though she accused her competitor of selling cocaine,fraudulently.

Not to mention Liawatha. Putting that woman in the Senate is purely moronic. She is a proven liar And definitely difficult to stomach.

Aside from that, How many Massachusetts speakers in a row now Have wound up in prison? Common thread They all have D'
S next to their name.

The best one nation wide by far However Is Jesse Jackson Junior Getting elected into office After it was proven he tried to buy Barack Obama's seat in the Senate from Rod Blagojevich
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jackbass

The best one nation wide by far However Is Jesse Jackson Junior Getting elected into office After it was proven he tried to buy Barack Obama's seat in the Senate from Rod Blagojevich
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and wasn't he re-elected while in drug rehab?


here is how the republican party needs to moderate in order to re-establish itself given the climate and trends of the electorate in the next go around...

abortion.....free, government provided and paid for abortions for anyone desiring one...in addition....the government will pay a $10,000 bonus per abortion(the average cost of one year in a public school) simply calculating the enormous amount of money that Julia's Life will cost the government and taxpayers it makes more sense to reward the person aborting the non-person for making such a wise but probably difficult "choice"

gay marriage....there will be no gender designations for marriage nor any limits going forward, you may marry whomever you wish, however many of whatever you wish and claim whatever you wish as a spouse, that spouse(s) and any offspring created, adopted or otherwise will be entitled to all of the possibilities of the entitlement state...there will be no limits(see France)

edumacation....all education in America will be free, all colleges and universities will provide free education(have you seen the endowments???) to whoever wants education and enrollment will be determined by lottery...there will be no advantages to any individual requesting entry into any institution, all applicants, legal or illegal, will go into a hat and names will be drawn until the seats are filled...all student loans will be forgiven and none will be required going foreward

incomes....all payrolls will be sent directly to the federal government where it will be determined and redistributed evenly based on the individual and whatever you've decided constitutes your family, this will truly be "from each according to their ability to each according to their need"...noone will have an income advantage over another...the government will also place in a "lock box" the amounts calculated to get you through your retirement years which will begin for everyone regardless at age 55....maximum number of hours that any American may work during one 7 day period is 30....you will no longer have any worries over income tax, retirement saving and the like

euthanasia...at whatever point the government decides that you are using more than your share of allotted medical resources as you age you will be required to take a happy ending pill, your family will recieve a bonus caluclated from the tremendous amount of money saved by the government thanks to your early exit...this will be considered the highest form of partiotism.. if you refuse, you will be determined to be mentally incompetent and the government will appoint someone to make the decision for you this one will probably be popular until it's your turn

immigration anyone caught entering the country, legally or illegally will immediately be photographed, given a drivers license, EBT card, registered for every available government service and registerd to vote.....no need to bother with the whole becoming a citizen part anymore...it's passe'

marajuana and other fromerly illegal drugs....these will all be covered and provided for under Obamacare for free

[likwid]

Originally Posted by scottw

here is how the republican party needs to moderate in order to re-establish itself given the climate and trends of the electorate in the next go around...

So basically you want them to lie just like the last go around?
You sure like losing.

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by likwid

So basically you want them to lie just like the last go around?
You sure like losing.

Wrong lying works great look at Obama for example we are all his mushrooms. He feeds us horse crap and keeps us in the dark and people eat it up.

How many 08 promises did he live up to? Maybe 1 passing healthcare reform. But that promise is moot because along with it comes taxes on those that make under 250k and he never put the debates on C Span. Two promise broken while fulfilling another.
Yep the conservatives are lying.
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[Raider Ronnie]

DIVORCE AGREEMENT


THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY WELL PUT AND I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT'S BY A YOUNG PERSON, A STUDENT!!! WHATEVER HE RUNS FOR, I'LL VOTE FOR HIM.


Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al: We have stuck together since the late 1950's for the sake of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course.



Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.



Here is a our separation agreement:


--Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.



--We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them.


--You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.
--Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military.


--We'll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and the coal mines, and you can go with wind, solar and biodiesel.


--You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell. You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them.



--We'll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street.


--You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, food stamps, homeless, homeboys, hippies, druggies and illegal aliens.


--We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks.


--We'll keep Bill O?Reilly, and Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .


--You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.


--You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.


--We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.


--You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political correctness and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N. but we will no longer be paying the bill.


--We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Volt and Leaf you can find.


--You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors.


--We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right.
--We'll keep "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "The National Anthem."


--I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute "Imagine", "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing", "Kum Ba Ya" or "We Are the World".


--We'll practice trickle-down economics and you can continue to give trickle up poverty your best shot.



--Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.


Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you might think about which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.



Sincerely,


John J. Wall


Law Student and an American


P.S. Also, please take Ted Turner, Sean Penn, Martin & Charlie Sheen, Barbara Streisand, & ( Hanoi ) Jane Fonda with you.



P.S.S. And you won't have to press 1 for English when you call our country.


Forward This Every Time You Get It ! Let's Keep This Going, Maybe Some Of It Will Start Sinking In!!

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

DIVORCE AGREEMENT


THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY WELL PUT AND I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT'S BY A YOUNG PERSON, A STUDENT!!! WHATEVER HE RUNS FOR, I'LL VOTE FOR HIM.


Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al: We have stuck together since the late 1950's for the sake of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course.



Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.



Here is a our separation agreement:


--Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.



--We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them.


--You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.
--Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military.


--We'll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and the coal mines, and you can go with wind, solar and biodiesel.


--You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell. You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them.



--We'll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street.


--You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, food stamps, homeless, homeboys, hippies, druggies and illegal aliens.


--We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks.


--We'll keep Bill O?Reilly, and Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .


--You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.


--You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.


--We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.


--You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political correctness and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N. but we will no longer be paying the bill.


--We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Volt and Leaf you can find.


--You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors.


--We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right.
--We'll keep "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "The National Anthem."


--I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute "Imagine", "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing", "Kum Ba Ya" or "We Are the World".


--We'll practice trickle-down economics and you can continue to give trickle up poverty your best shot.



--Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.


Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you might think about which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.



Sincerely,


John J. Wall


Law Student and an American


P.S. Also, please take Ted Turner, Sean Penn, Martin & Charlie Sheen, Barbara Streisand, & ( Hanoi ) Jane Fonda with you.



P.S.S. And you won't have to press 1 for English when you call our country.


Forward This Every Time You Get It ! Let's Keep This Going, Maybe Some Of It Will Start Sinking In!!

This student is well beyond his years in wisdom and his Professors could
learn from him.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by likwid

So basically you want them to lie just like the last go around?
You sure like losing.

when you are competing in the arena of Bread and Circus...I think that is the point...noone seems to mind lies and false promises if they are made by talented liars and cult personalities....the next 2 and 4 years will be spent expanding and reinforcing the welfare state and entitlement mentality....republicans will always be portrayed as those who will take away the goodies if elected...it's a no win...as in Eurpoe we will end up with parties at election time arguing over who is better equipped to manage the collapsing welfare state, the only way to win at this point, is to simply promise more...it's not the parties, it's not the system...it's the people

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by scottw

when you are competing in the arena of Bread and Circus...I think that is the point...noone seems to mind lies and false promises if they are made by talented liars and cult personalities....the next 2 and 4 years will be spent expanding and reinforcing the welfare state and entitlement mentality....republicans will always be portrayed as those who will take away the goodies if elected...it's a no win...as in Eurpoe we will end up with parties at election time arguing over who is better equipped to manage the collapsing welfare state, the only way to win at this point, is to simply promise more...it's not the parties, it's not the system...it's the people

Exactly. It is that Spencist trajectory/vector thing in which we are trapped. I might go a little easier on the people, though. Most are, always have been, and will always be, followers. Most are beneficiaries of or prey to systems of government created by leaders or masterminds. And most are informed by the education and media created by those leaders and delivered through those systems. That is the reason why most systems eventually fail. Most rigidly manage top down in a world of never ending change. There will always be social and natural wars for which they have no micromanaged answer. And the more they micromanage, the more rigid, intractable, they become-- and the less they can successfully respond to evolutionary forces. Socialist systems are symbiotic relationships between top-down powerful, to all powerful, central managers and their dependent "people."

Market systems create a "spontaneous order" among "the people." And the markets and people agree to various limited regulations (government) to make the spontaneous system more orderly.

Most people in either type of system "follow" the order created by leaders. The difference lying in how governance and direction is dispersed. Either a top-down one-directional (collectivist) administration or a bottom-up multi-directional (individualistic) system of self-governance.

The Democrat Party has transformed a once dispersed bottom-up market driven system to a top-down central one which depends on the socialistic means to power and its mainainance that you describe. It exists by distributing "needs" and maintains that existence by promising more in the following elections. It has essentially co-opted the public and higher educational systems and most of the major media which all inform the people. In that it has not figured a way to create the wealth that it distributes, it still relies on a market to do so. But it must control the market to the extent that it distributes the created wealth. The more it distributes, the more the market shrinks. And the greater the amount of centrally distributed wealth that is required, either the more the market must shrink or the more the government must borrow or inflate. And the more it gets in debt, the more onerous is its requirement to distribute. It is as much a slave to the "people" as the people are to it. This "mega trend" process is irreversible, no do-over as Spence would say, if this top-down system of government is to survive.

It doesn't have to survive. And it won't. What eventually takes its place is a question we might ponder. Or not. It will eventually happen either way. But we might make the eventual change less destructive if we do think about it, rationally and with respect to past experience. My personal suggestion, no surprise, would be to reinstitute governance on the lines of The Constitution. It is a framework for a fluid system that is open to necessary and evolutionary change but still maintains the dispersed power to create that change and maintain optimal individual freedom and "unalienable rights."

It is telling that those who argue with this and with well thought out and lengthy posts such as yours, respond with quips and one-liners which usually are shallow or make little sense. Or intentionally try to ridicule or provoke rather than discuss.