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[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

I believe CAT has at least 12 manufacturing plants in China and over 8,000 employees. It represents a substantial part of their growth strategy.

These investments have a big impact on jobs in Peoria. The net is that any way you shake it, development in emerging markets has a big impact on the US economy...

Perhaps you should sub out your googling to ScottW

-spence

Ok, Spence. This is comical, even for a post from you. You stated that the Chinese are likely using Caterpillar machines for their big construction projects. I pointed out that Caterpillar has a very small market share there as compared to the 2 large Chinese heavy equipment makers. Then you say that heavy equipment in the US sells a lot to China, which in no way backs up your original statement. China does not buy a lot of US made equipment because they buy Chinese made equipment. Now you claim that US companies are building their equipment in China. You really have no clue. How does it go from China using a lot of American made heavy equipment to US companies building their equipment in China and sending it back here? And how's that benefiting the US? Wouldn't Peoria be better off if they kept all the jobs there?

Maybe you should have RIROCKHOUND's new baby do your googling for you. It's bound to be better than whatever you're doing.

[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Ok, Spence. This is comical, even for a post from you. You stated that the Chinese are likely using Caterpillar machines for their big construction projects. I pointed out that Caterpillar has a very small market share there as compared to the 2 large Chinese heavy equipment makers. Then you say that heavy equipment in the US sells a lot to China, which in no way backs up your original statement. China does not buy a lot of US made equipment because they buy Chinese made equipment. Now you claim that US companies are building their equipment in China. You really have no clue. How does it go from China using a lot of American made heavy equipment to US companies building their equipment in China and sending it back here? And how's that benefiting the US? Wouldn't Peoria be better off if they kept all the jobs there?

Maybe you should have RIROCKHOUND's new baby do your googling for you. It's bound to be better than whatever you're doing.

There are many companies that sell heavy equipment in China, some are Chinese, some are Korean, some are Japanese, some are American. That a company like CAT doesn't dominate the market is irrelevant to the point at hand unless you want to parse a single word to to make trouble.

Quite simply, assembly in China doesn't mean there aren't thousands and thousands more here in the US involved in design and planning.

Do you seriously lake the fundamentals of how a global manufacturing business operates? It sure sounds like you do.

-spence

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

There are many companies that sell heavy equipment in China, some are Chinese, some are Korean, some are Japanese, some are American. That a company like CAT doesn't dominate the market is irrelevant to the point at hand unless you want to parse a single word to to make trouble.

Quite simply, assembly in China doesn't mean there aren't thousands and thousands more here in the US involved in design and planning.

Do you seriously lake the fundamentals of how a global manufacturing business operates? It sure sounds like you do.

-spence

I see you're at it again. You originally stated that CAT equipment is most likely being used at large Chinese construction projects. I pointed out you are wrong. Then you started squirming around trying to change your original statement because you looked foolish. Now you start saying I "lake" fundamentals of how a global manufacturing business operates. You're quite wrong again.

I'll ask one simple question that I would like a straight forward, yes or no answer without the typical Spence circular logic. Would the 8,000 CAT manufacturing jobs currently in China help the people of Peoria if they were brought back home?

BTW, if you need more tranny porn for your stocking suffers, I can email you some very disturbing stuff, or just ask WPTMafia. He has all the bookmarks on his phone.

[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I see you're at it again. You originally stated that CAT equipment is most likely being used at large Chinese construction projects. I pointed out you are wrong. Then you started squirming around trying to change your original statement because you looked foolish. Now you start saying I "lake" fundamentals of how a global manufacturing business operates. You're quite wrong again.

The initial remarks were if global expansion benefited US business...and as I've indicated it certainly does. Swap "most likely" with "possibly" and your argument vanishes because you hadn't made a single point to refute my claim.

You still haven't by the way.

I do like your assertion that the Chinese only buy Chinese equipment even though CAT has over a half dozen plants in country...an investment strategy to capture Chinese market share

What do you think all those people are doing?

I'll ask one simple question that I would like a straight forward, yes or no answer without the typical Spence circular logic. Would the 8,000 CAT manufacturing jobs currently in China help the people of Peoria if they were brought back home?

To answer that question you'd have to assess if the company could afford to hire skilled workers, absorb increased material, shipping and support costs and be responsive to local markets and competitive pressures...while still turning a profit.

The answer is likely not, otherwise they would have already done it.

Additionally, without a Chinese manufacturing presence do you think their government would have any incentive to give us favorable trade conditions or would Chinese investors have much of any incentive to award contracts to foreign suppliers?

The answer again is likely not.

Yes, some companies do go overseas for cheaper labor or to avoid regulatory pressure, but for many global manufactures it's a growth strategy that would be impossible given the logistical and political challenges of operating from afar.

Bones, please keep pounding on that one word, in this argument it's really about all you've got

-spence

[fishbones]

Now you're just lying and trying to put words in my mouth. Since I'm in the holiday spirit, I'll stop embarrassing you and let you continue to do it yourself.

[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Now you're just lying and trying to put words in my mouth. Since I'm in the holiday spirit, I'll stop embarrassing you and let you continue to do it yourself.

You've executed the ScottW playbook to a tee.

Try and blind them with bull#^&#^&#^&#^&, and when that doesn't work declare victory and leave. You even have the correct emoticon

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

You've executed the ScottW playbook to a tee.

Try and blind them with bull#^&#^&#^&#^&, and when that doesn't work declare victory and leave.
-spence

"You might be a progressive ideologue if:


3. You are a master at projecting or "transferring" what could be your problem or attitude (but not really) on to others.

10. You are certain that you never ever operate from an ideological position."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Ok, Spence. This is comical, even for a post from you. You stated that the Chinese are likely using Caterpillar machines for their big construction projects. I pointed out that Caterpillar has a very small market share there as compared to the 2 large Chinese heavy equipment makers. Then you say that heavy equipment in the US sells a lot to China, which in no way backs up your original statement. China does not buy a lot of US made equipment because they buy Chinese made equipment. Now you claim that US companies are building their equipment in China. You really have no clue. How does it go from China using a lot of American made heavy equipment to US companies building their equipment in China and sending it back here? And how's that benefiting the US? Wouldn't Peoria be better off if they kept all the jobs there?

Maybe you should have RIROCKHOUND's new baby do your googling for you. It's bound to be better than whatever you're doing.

If I can respond on Spence's behalf...

You're an ignorantracisthatemongerbigotsexisthomophobeislamo phobeintoleranthatecrimes!

P.S. Suck on that