Over the fiscal cliff we go!!!!

[JohnR]

The Fiscal cliff and the Debt Ceiling are but two minor annoyances compared to the real problem facing us: The Total Fiscal Liability of our country. Take every last dollar everyone in the country earns this year and it does not solve the problem.

We're broke. Shut it down. Bye. See Ya.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The Fiscal cliff and the Debt Ceiling are but two minor annoyances compared to the real problem facing us: The Total Fiscal Liability of our country. Take every last dollar everyone in the country earns this year and it does not solve the problem.

We're broke. Shut it down. Bye. See Ya.

Apparently, nothing is going to be shut down. The military will shrink a bit, just about everything else will continue to grow including the deficit and the debt. And now that Obama and the Dems have got what they wanted by not really negotiating, why would they do so to lower spending significantly? And the debt ceiling will probably get raised, if not by congress, then by some shenanigan such as an executive order, etc. And we will not notice the costs to the economy, and to the employment rate, and the higher tax burdens for everybody who pays taxes, and the higher prices and cost of living because it will all be recognized as the new norm. And the Republicans will have been marginalized, if not destroyed, as a political force, reverting back to their role as the little loyal opposition ala the 1960's and 70's. The SCOTUS will be packed with left wing, anti-constitutional ideologues, so will also not be a threat to the new regime. Economic math will be irrelevant since the phenomenon, with our full-fledged entry into the planetary fiscal abyss, will truly be world-wide and compared to the rest we might be a bit better off so the 51% and growing that decide elections will think we are doing well and will continue to vote for the progressive politicians with whom they have formed an unbreakable symbiotic relationship of give to me and I will vote for you.

Unless, as you have pointed out, a new Reagan who is articulate and charismatic enough will come to the temporary rescue. The Republicans, or whoever rises from the ashes of that party's destruction, will have to once again realize that the people will vote for a truly different and optimistic agenda driven by leaders who believe in our historic American agenda, not in the copy-cat leftovers of the left. If they want power again, temporary as it always is, they have to part with the idea that they must be more like Democrats. The 51% will rather vote for the real thing.

[scottw]

all set...we're good...higher taxes, a boatload of new spending and the unemployed can happily remain unemployed for another year, I guess that is to offset all of the new revenue...we'll talk about mundane topics like spending reductions in a couple of months when we discuss increasing the debt ceiling...again......which I guess makes a lot of sense...talking about possible cuts when you are simultaneously planning and expected to borrow even more money and go further into debt

but who is counting anyway?

Obama Returns to Hawaii at an Added Cost of Over $3 Million
by Keith Koffler on January 2, 2013, 5:58 am

In a move that is rich in irony, President Obama this morning agreed to sign an emergency deficit reduction bill that does almost nothing to rein in spending and then jetted out to Hawaii to resume his vacation at an extra cost of more than $3 million to taxpayers.

The price tag is in addition to more than $4 million that is already being spent on the Obamas’ Hawaii idyll, bringing the total cost of the excursion to well over $7 million.