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Old 03-13-2013, 07:36 AM   #1
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Always, that's probably why my posts look so foreign to you.



Killing an unarmed terrorist reading a book in a field, who is no imminent threat doesn't even meet the ROE for a drone strike in Afghanistan. Why would it here at home?


Not speculation, it's simple reason.


The two scenarios are not analogous.


Nobody has ever said that, you're either making it up, are grossly misinformed or perhaps just a bit wacky.

Here's the rub. Would anybody have had an issue with the US Air Force shooting down one of the 9/11 planes? Nope. Would anybody have an issue with the US Air Force shooting down a plane loaded with explosives headed toward NYC? Nope...

Well, perhaps Rand would.


Ahhh, and out comes Mr. Hyde. I thought you were getting a bit wacky in that last paragraph.

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"Killing an unarmed terrorist reading a book in a field, who is no imminent threat doesn't even meet the ROE for a drone strike in Afghanistan":

See, once again, you are making things up as you go along. According to the Geneva Convention, it is absolutely acceptable to kill enemy soldiers, even if they are asleep and thus not an imminent threat. Drone strikes aren't launched to kill terrorists who are literally in the act of trying to kill anybody, they aren't that precise (that's what snipers are for).

Spence, do you think that soldiers can only kill other soldiers in self defense? Those are the ROE's for police departments, not the standards in time of war.

Where do you get your "information"? Have you no shame? None at all? Spence, if you're going to make up jibberish, try not to invent jibberishthat is so demonstrably false. Try to at least fabricate something that might fool a 6 year-old.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:52 AM   #2
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apparently, if a "suspected" killer, terrorist, plotter or maybe just a former military single issue opposed to immigration authority rejecting antigovernment radical who is deemed an imminent threat using the "broader concept " of imminence and American citizen happens to escape our borders and take up residence in a foreign land, it would be OK? for the government to send a drone in and shoot a hellfire missile into where ever he's pulled off to the side of the road and having lunch?


I'm not defending these guys and not saying they don't deserve it but we do have laws and they are "suspects" and considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law aren't they? this sets a very bad precedent...especially with an administration that tortures and broadens definitions so frequently..........I count three American Citizens suspected of crimes executed without trials...just sayin'....kinda opens the door for all sorts of misbehaviour......
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He was a boy who hadn't seen his father in two years, since his father had gone into hiding. He was a boy who knew his father was on an American kill list and who snuck out of his family's home in the early morning hours of September 4, 2011, to try to find him. He was a boy who was still searching for his father when his father was killed, and who, on the night he himself was killed, was saying goodbye to the second cousin with whom he'd lived while on his search, and the friends he'd made. He was a boy among boys, then; a boy among boys eating dinner by an open fire along the side of a road when an American drone came out of the sky and fired the missiles that killed them all.
Robert Gibbs Says Anwar al-Awlaki's Son, Killed By Drone Strike, Needs 'Far More Responsible Father'

Gibbs' comments were released the same day The Washington Post published an expose on the White House's growing database of people it believes it has the authority to kill without trial.

The American Civil Liberties Union warned Wednesday in a response that the policy of "bureaucratized paramilitary killing" is illegal and will backfire.

"Anyone who thought U.S. targeted killing outside of armed conflict was a narrow, emergency-based exception to the requirement of due process before a death sentence is being proven conclusively wrong," said Hina Shamsi, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project, in a statement. "The danger of dispensing with due process is obvious because without it, we cannot be assured that the people in the government's death database truly present a concrete, imminent threat to the country. What we do know is that tragic mistakes have been made, hundreds of civilian bystanders have died, and our government has even killed a 16-year-old U.S. citizen without acknowledging, let alone explaining his death.



no need to worry...it's not like they ever overreach or exceed their authority......

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Codify the Drone War - Charles Krauthammer - National Review Online
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