Nobody told me is just another lie

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

No. I would wait for the evidence. No doubt . . . actually . . . NO DOUBT . . . you would not wait, but immediately proclaim him to be a murderer.

“Murphy refused to modify intelligence assessments so that they more closely aligned with Trump's rhetoric about Antifa and other groups, telling Wolf and Cuccinelli that he would only report accurate information as collected by DHS.”
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[Pete F.]

Now we know Trump wanted to "play it down" when he heard the Coronavirus spread through the air and could kill upwards of 5% of people.

So he thought (wrongly) that 5% of people-- including "not just old people" would die from COVID. And what he decided to do about it?
"Play it down," Trump said of the virus.

So he decided to lie. And he decided to cover up that lie by publicly attacking anyone who disagreed. The CDC, HHS, Anthony Fauci.
I know we are used to lies. I know we are used to d#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g responsibility. I know we are used to incompetence, but something struck me as soon as I heard this.

His excuse: "I didn't want to panic people."

When you have a novel pandemic, before there is a vaccine, the only medicine there is is public reaction.

With a disease that spreads through the respiratory system, not telling them they could avoid catching the disease by taking simple precautions is psychopathic.
The man is a pyromaniac. He knew an invisible fire was coming here and he let the fire rage.

And the people around him knew he knew. And they too did nothing.
Its not like he had a plan for dealing with it while he denied something he knew. He let the fire rage all the time telling us it would be gone by April. 15 cases would become zero.

It spread through the air, but was "going to zero?" It killed people but was "like the flu?"
Trump's defenders like to say "It wouldn't have been any different under Obama." It would have been different under anyone but a madman.
Imagine a world under which the president holds a press conference in the first week in February. He tells people the virus is coming here. It spreads through the air. Its lethal.

Even if he screwed up everything else he screwed up, the world would be different.
People would have been prepared. They would have protected their families. We would have begun to study this. And we would have looked a lot like other countries in the world.
Think about it this way. If a corporation had knowledge that they had a product that killed people and said and did nothing, it could be considered negligent homicide. The CEO and the entire management team would be fired. Some would go to jail.
A movie would be made about the evil. It would win an academy award.

For Trump and team, it will have a news cycle of under 48 hours.

What else don't we know that he knows? What else is his team protecting him on? If he doesn't care about American lives-- soldiers with bounties or our health, what could we count on him to care about besides himself?
You can play table top exercises about what happens when a pandemic comes to our country 100 times with 100 scenarios and never play out the scenario where the president decides not to tell the country & his team backs him up.
Thankfully Republicans in Congress are loudly denouncing him.

OK, just kidding
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Now we know Trump wanted to "play it down" when he heard the Coronavirus spread through the air and could kill upwards of 5% of people.

So he thought (wrongly) that 5% of people-- including "not just old people" would die from COVID. And what he decided to do about it?
"Play it down," Trump said of the virus.

So he decided to lie. And he decided to cover up that lie by publicly attacking anyone who disagreed. The CDC, HHS, Anthony Fauci.
I know we are used to lies. I know we are used to d#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g responsibility. I know we are used to incompetence, but something struck me as soon as I heard this.

His excuse: "I didn't want to panic people."

When you have a novel pandemic, before there is a vaccine, the only medicine there is is public reaction.

With a disease that spreads through the respiratory system, not telling them they could avoid catching the disease by taking simple precautions is psychopathic.
The man is a pyromaniac. He knew an invisible fire was coming here and he let the fire rage.

And the people around him knew he knew. And they too did nothing.
Its not like he had a plan for dealing with it while he denied something he knew. He let the fire rage all the time telling us it would be gone by April. 15 cases would become zero.

It spread through the air, but was "going to zero?" It killed people but was "like the flu?"
Trump's defenders like to say "It wouldn't have been any different under Obama." It would have been different under anyone but a madman.
Imagine a world under which the president holds a press conference in the first week in February. He tells people the virus is coming here. It spreads through the air. Its lethal.

Even if he screwed up everything else he screwed up, the world would be different.
People would have been prepared. They would have protected their families. We would have begun to study this. And we would have looked a lot like other countries in the world.
Think about it this way. If a corporation had knowledge that they had a product that killed people and said and did nothing, it could be considered negligent homicide. The CEO and the entire management team would be fired. Some would go to jail.
A movie would be made about the evil. It would win an academy award.

For Trump and team, it will have a news cycle of under 48 hours.

What else don't we know that he knows? What else is his team protecting him on? If he doesn't care about American lives-- soldiers with bounties or our health, what could we count on him to care about besides himself?
You can play table top exercises about what happens when a pandemic comes to our country 100 times with 100 scenarios and never play out the scenario where the president decides not to tell the country & his team backs him up.
Thankfully Republicans in Congress are loudly denouncing him.

OK, just kidding
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This is the proverbial making a mountain out of a molehill.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

This is the proverbial making a mountain out of a molehill.

200 thousand dead is a mountain

Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc countries rally around leaders in times of crises usually...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc the country rallies around leaders in times of crises ...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit from that solely bc of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,hed be walking into reelection from that solely because of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,he’d be walking into reelection.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

200 thousand dead is a mountain

Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc countries rally around leaders in times of crises usually...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc the country rallies around leaders in times of crises ...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit from that solely bc of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,hed be walking into reelection from that solely because of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,he’d be walking into reelection.
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100 thousand is a mountain. Two million is a mountain. There were "expert" predictions of over two million deaths in the U.S. if the virus was not handled. I wasn't referring to the numbers mountain.

Several of the other countries had worse death ratios than the U.S., yet their leaders saw a bump in approval ratings. Interesting.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

100 thousand is a mountain. Two million is a mountain. There were "expert" predictions of over two million deaths in the U.S. if the virus was not handled. I wasn't referring to the numbers mountain.

Several of the other countries had worse death ratios than the U.S., yet their leaders saw a bump in approval ratings. Interesting.

Sure that’s where we might have gone if everyone ignored the science and there was no shutdown whatsoever. There are also expert opinions on how many lives might have been saved with early and more drastic nationally driven and supported measures, but those lives aren’t important as long as Trump perceives a political win of some sort, the irony is his handling turned into his political nightmare.

[Pete F.]

Tweety’s latest tweet
Kim Jong Un is in good health. Never underestimate him!

At least we found someone whose health the President cares about
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[wdmso]

The right is already trying
Sean Hannity claims Biden, Democrats downplayed coronavirus while Trump took action
'The Biden campaign didn't even release an official response on the pandemic until March 11'

Some one should tell Hannity that being the President and Trying to become president. Do not remotely have the same level of duties and responsibilities..
Biden
But I want to take a moment to say it’s not a time to panic about coronavirus, but coronavirus is a serious public health challenge.”

TRUMP Its going to just dissappear or Trump Falsely Claims ‘99 Percent’ of Virus Cases Are ‘Totally Harmless’
Or his finest. It is what it is'


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[PaulS]

how is defending Trump not TDS? Where is Jim to help us?

[Got Stripers]

You need to pay more attention!
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You need to pay more attention!
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Oh, I forgot. You know everything.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Oh, I forgot. You know everything.

Oh no I’d never cut into your purview, but I do listen to what the science and experts tell us, the political stuff from both sides is white noise.

So oh learned one, do you keep a nation from panic, by down playing the crisis and by holding off using and promoting the very measures proven to work until forced to? Either he knows better and I’m certain he doesn’t or he has a really low opinion of how America could have soldered thru.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Oh no I’d never cut into your purview,

You're the one saying I need to pay more attention.
Sounds like cutting into my purview. And that you know more than me.

but I do listen to what the science and experts tell us, the political stuff from both sides is white noise.

He did listen to the experts. He still does. His whole response team was based on the opinion of, and loaded with, experts. I assume that what he told Woodward was garnered from experts.

So oh learned one, do you keep a nation from panic, by down playing the crisis

That's one of the ways.

and by holding off using and promoting the very measures proven to work until forced to?

There is no evidence that he held off the medical or technical measures needed to contain the virus. On the contrary, he went full steam into creating a task force and making it possible for the CDC to work with private researchers and developers of equipment. He didn't prevent anyone from wearing masks or using social distance. Nor was it fully agreed by all the experts that the masks really had an effect. And he always embraced any protocol that showed any promise.

Either he knows better and I’m certain he doesn’t or he has a really low opinion of how America could have soldered thru.
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Excuse me, but I personally experienced the lack of various things like rubbing alcohol, various disinfectants needed for cleaning around the house, paper towels of all sorts including toilet paper, cases of bottled water as well as various canned foods because a lot of Americans panicked and emptied the shelves to overstock their own supply, not giving a damn about anybody else.

[Pete F.]

Trump, March 19, on tape with Bob Woodward: "I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic."
Kayleigh McEnany yesterday: "The president never downplayed the virus."

"I want to show a calmness. I'm the leader of the country. I can't be jumping up and down," Trump tells Hannity about why he played down the coronavirus, knowing it was "deadly stuff"

"If the US had the same death rate as the EU overall, nearly 84,000 Americans wouldn’t have died (out of the nearly 190,000 who have died so far). If the US had the same death rate as Canada, nearly 109,000 Americans wouldn’t have died."
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump, March 19, on tape with Bob Woodward: "I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic."

Woodward is facing some heat because he withheld this supposedly very important information from the public in order to sell more books. If it was that critical, he should have immediately informed us. Very cynical or he didn't believe it was that critical.
His excuse for not doing so is very weak.

Kayleigh McEnany yesterday: "The president never downplayed the virus."

"I want to show a calmness. I'm the leader of the country. I can't be jumping up and down," Trump tells Hannity about why he played down the coronavirus, knowing it was "deadly stuff"

Apparently, Kayleigh was wrong. Or there is more context to what she said--don't know, but Press Secretary statements are down on my list of important things.

"If the US had the same death rate as the EU overall, nearly 84,000 Americans wouldn’t have died (out of the nearly 190,000 who have died so far). If the US had the same death rate as Canada, nearly 109,000 Americans wouldn’t have died."
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Yeah, we have different death rates, better or worse. And Trump is responsible for that? Geez, man, we have a huge medical and technical and research infrastructure, regulatory agencies, independent states, experts up the gazoo, and a nation of divided and uniquely independent people, and a fairly unique political power structure that limits the power of the President far more than the leaders of most other nations--and Trump is the reason for the number of deaths?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Yeah, we have different death rates, better or worse. And Trump is responsible for that? Geez, man, we have a huge medical and technical and research infrastructure, regulatory agencies, independent states, experts up the gazoo, and a nation of divided and uniquely independent people, and a fairly unique political power structure that limits the power of the President far more than the leaders of most other nations--and Trump is the reason for the number of deaths?

It does not mute him as if that is not apparent.

Trump acted like the captain of a ship who knows it is about to hit an iceberg but doesn’t tell the passengers to make for the lifeboats.

That is an offense even more serious than simply falling asleep at the watch.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It does not mute him as if that is not apparent.

He wasn't mute.

Trump acted like the captain of a ship who knows it is about to hit an iceberg but doesn’t tell the passengers to make for the lifeboats.

Oh, the dumb captain of a ship thing. Well, if we must, he provided lifeboats that were not there. He instructed his crew to find them, make them, design them, distribute them.

That is an offense even more serious than simply falling asleep at the watch.

Fauci said he couldn't imagine anyone else doing more than what the response task force that Trump created were doing.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump, March 19, on tape with Bob Woodward: "I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic."
Kayleigh McEnany yesterday: "The president never downplayed the virus."

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I thought Kayleigh promised not to lie?

Just another scummy Trumplican.

[RickBomba]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I thought Kayleigh promised not to lie?

Just another scummy Trumplican.

Kayleez just like any other cute blond who makes you a promise...

She’s already made that promise to a cuter beefcake than you.

Nothing is more fleeting than a beautiful, blonde woman’s promise.

She’s the ultimate blonde...
JOKE!
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[Got Stripers]

I’m pretty sure he knows where it originated, his points were also clear, one that it most likely did the most damage by cases coming in from Europe and Trump is a chump for deflection calling it a China virus. He and most also do blame China for mishandling and most of those voting him out of office soon will do so for Trump mishandling the crisis and not being forthright with Americans. Your running out of things to spin as fast as Trump is running out of excuses.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Trump is a chump

bumper sticker material right there

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I’m pretty sure he knows where it originated, his points were also clear, one that it most likely did the most damage by cases coming in from Europe and Trump is a chump for deflection calling it a China virus. He and most also do blame China for mishandling and most of those voting him out of office soon will do so for Trump mishandling the crisis and not being forthright with Americans. Your running out of things to spin as fast as Trump is running out of excuses.

Trump, and many, many, others call it the China, or the Wuhan, or the CCP virus because that is where it originated. It is not a chump to name a virus from whence it came. It has been done for many if not most of previous viruses. That much of it arrived here via Europe does not change that. Trump also put a travel ban on Europe. Too late? Too late was the only way to confirm that a ban was needed. Same would apply to any travel ban. It was too late because the infection was already here and China, intentionally, did not warn us, or Europe, or the rest of the world in time, and intentionally let travelers out of China, including much from Wuhan, into the rest of the world while, at the same time, banned travel from Wuhan to the rest of China. I don't know if you can spin that, but give it a go.

[RickBomba]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Trump, and many, many, others call it the China, or the Wuhan, or the CCP virus because that is where it originated. It is not a chump to name a virus from whence it came. It has been done for many if not most of previous viruses. That much of it arrived here via Europe does not change that. Trump also put a travel ban on Europe. Too late? Too late was the only way to confirm that a ban was needed. Same would apply to any travel ban. It was too late because the infection was already here and China, intentionally, did not warn us, or Europe, or the rest of the world in time, and intentionally let travelers out of China, including much from Wuhan, into the rest of the world while, at the same time, banned travel from Wuhan to the rest of China. I don't know if you can spin that, but give it a go.

What I love, Butchie, is people like you who eat up whatever he says, and then end up doing a way better job defending him than he can actually do for himself.

He’s the pres, it’s his job to defend himself. He don’t need you, sport...

Go back to crappie fishing, I guess. The world has passed you by, my friend.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by RickBomba

What I love, Butchie, is people like you who eat up whatever he says,

Actually, I don't. But you have no way of knowing that, so I can see why you would think so.

and then end up doing a way better job defending him than he can actually do for himself.

If he was on this forum, he would do a way better job of it than me. I'd like to see the back and forth on Trump's competence, leadership, performance, and all the other stuff--Trump vs. PeteF. That would be a doozie worth seeing.

He’s the pres, it’s his job to defend himself. He don’t need you, sport...

Well, since he's not on the forum, some of us have to do it.

Go back to crappie fishing, I guess. The world has passed you by, my friend.

I'm still keeping up . . . bigly. But thanks.

[RickBomba]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I'm still keeping up . . . bigly. But thanks.

Love the bigly.
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[Pete F.]

DONALD TRUMP'S COVID-19 PLAN

FEB: COVID isn't real
MAR: It'll go away
APR: It'll go away
MAY: It'll go away
JUN: It'll go away
JUL: It'll go away
AUG: It'll go away
SEP: It'll go away
Hint: It ain’t gonna like a miracle, go away
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

DONALD TRUMP'S COVID-19 PLAN

FEB: COVID isn't real
MAR: It'll go away
APR: It'll go away
MAY: It'll go away
JUN: It'll go away
JUL: It'll go away
AUG: It'll go away
SEP: It'll go away
Hint: It ain’t gonna like a miracle, go away
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Wow. Quite a revelation. Apparently the coronavirus task force was just a mirage. The production of a vaccine is just a fiction. Testing does not happen. Masks, ventilators, help to states who were unprepared never happened. All fake news.

Thanks for the truth Pete!

[Pete F.]

What is the difference between lying about a blow job and lying about a pathogen? 200 thousand lives.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What is the difference between lying about a blow job and lying about a pathogen? 200 thousand lives.
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There is no telling how many lives would have been lost if the public had totally panicked. Or if there were no action to combat the virus. There was a worldwide playing down of it, including the WHO, the media, the politicians on both sides, the medical experts. But there was also a concurrent serious effort to contain it. Both that effort and the calming of the public were probably necessary.

[Pete F.]

Trump’s entire political career has been built on using fear as a weapon. As he explained to Woodward and a colleague in a 2016 interview, “Real power is—I don’t even want to use the word—fear.”
Leaders excell in tough times, Tweety tried to lie and deny his way through this, the first real crisis of his administration as he has his whole life
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