How can I make this happen?

[The Dad Fisherman]

All this Germaphobe crap is probably why we see so many new allergies.....ever know anybody with Peanut allergies 30 years ago. Everybody is too damn paranoid about being exposed to things that the body doesn't build up any immunities to them.

I'm in Jimmy's corner on this one....everybody is WAY too paranoid now-a days.

Just wash your hands and walk out the door....you'll be fine

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

While it may be gross that people dont wash there hands after going to the bathroom, there is little implication to your health.

Unless any kind of contact with food takes place. Much of my work is at events like conferences and company meetings - 90% of meals are buffet style. Breaks tend to have platters of food and many do not use the provided tongs when taking appetizers.

The CDC recommends proper hand hygiene as a primary way of avoiding sickness.

You're right that most of us come into contact with millions (maybe billions) of germs everyday but look at the items that have the highest concentration of germs - computer keyboards, cell phones, door handles - all places that get consistently touched by people's hands.

[RIJIMMY]

agreed, food contact and preparation are a different story.

just out of curiosity, anyone been to a day care?
puke, crap, spit, snot,piss, drool - non stop. my kids survived.

[Joe]

Oh.....see...I didn't understand your point. Particularly as you tweak it with each post....I guess you're right again.

[GattaFish]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

tell me one illness that is spread by that?

I am giving you two,,,,

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

While it may be gross that people dont wash there hands after going to the bathroom, there is little implication to your health.

This is the most ridiculous statement in this thread,,,,

First look back at history well over 100 years ago this was proven,,,,, There are some very serious illnesses that spread from fecal matter, when people don't wash their hands, to others just by shaking hands or common contact,,, To start Hepatitis is a pretty serious one,,,,right???

In the United states you may get away with it the majority of the time,,,,,, but when you introduce places where certain diseases are more common, certain bacteria thrive and little micro organisms live in much larger numbers of the population the whole story changes and percentages of people getting sick increases dramatically,,,,,

Folks,,, those places are not that far away,,, and with the increasing number of people traveling to or from those places neither are the risks of getting sick,,,,

The picture below might help you all understand,,, I can't find the focused one,,, But it is a comprehensive amoebicide....

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Joe

Oh.....see...I didn't understand your point. Particularly as you tweak it with each post....I guess you're right again.

duh, whatever - here is a clip from my initial post
"who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle." so, I've gone away from that????? I've now been enlightened that scratching your sack spreads disease? yeah, thats a big problem.....

And Gattafish, my reponses are based on the initial post, maybe Im nuts but i assumed ez is in the united states, and yes I do things differently than if I was in a 3rd world country, I also do things differently when at a some highly used pota potty, but the INITIAL THREAD was about a work environment.
its funny all the strong opinons, lets see the data?
I GUARANTY more people get sick from handling common everyday items than from a restroom sink or door handle. PROVE ME WRONG.

[ecduzitgood]

It was just my opinion that having the sink on the outside of the restrooms would work better. I think the people who are most bothered by this idea are the ones who will not wash their hands now because they don't want to touch the faucet that everyone touched otherwise what's the big deal.

[GattaFish]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

And Gattafish, my reponses are based on the initial post, maybe Im nuts but i assumed ez is in the united states, and yes I do things differently than if I was in a 3rd world country, I also do things differently when at a some highly used pota potty, but the INITIAL THREAD was about a work environment.
its funny all the strong opinons, lets see the data?
I GUARANTY more people get sick from handling common everyday items than from a restroom sink or door handle. PROVE ME WRONG.

I read the initial thread,,, and the posts, Especially YOURS, which I have quoted and PROVEN to be foolish nonsense ......,,,, I have noticed that as you have met opposition you have slowly manipulated your answers to try to prove a ridiculous and unfounded point that you and only YOU seem to think is true,,,,,

Never the less still not getting the fact that everyday common items carry disease because PEOPLE DON'T WASH THEIR HANDS...

Isn't cabin fever grand

[GattaFish]

Originally Posted by Joe

Remind me never to come over your house for meatballs.

Some Funny a$$ Sheet,,,

[ecduzitgood]

[QUOTE=RIJIMMY;742032]duh, whatever - here is a clip from my initial post
"who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle." so, I've gone away from that????? I've now been enlightened that scratching your sack spreads disease? yeah, thats a big problem.....

And Gattafish, my reponses are based on the initial post, maybe Im nuts but i assumed ez is in the united states, and yes I do things differently than if I was in a 3rd world country, I also do things differently when at a some highly used pota potty, but the INITIAL THREAD was about a work environment.
its funny all the strong opinons, lets see the data?
I GUARANTY more people get sick from handling common everyday items than from a restroom sink or door handle. PROVE ME WRONG.[/QUOTE]
How could I prove you wrong?
The germs on everday items would be reduced if more people would wash their hands more. PROVE ME WRONG
If people don't wash their hands in the restroom then where and when do they?
Try this experiement and see what happens:

The Germy Potato Experiment
Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs
Feb 29, 2008 Jennifer Wagaman

Teach children about germs and the importance of washing their hands with this hands-on potato experiment.


The Germy Potato Experiment is designed to teach students about the importance of washing their hands through observation. To do this experiment, you will need three potatoes, hand soap and three plastic bags large enough to put one potato in each.

The Germy Potato Experiment
The first potato will be the control. After washing your hands hands and the potato, peel the potato and put it in a plastic zip lock bag without letting it touch anything else. The idea here is to keep all germs from touching the potato. Label this bag number one.

The second potato will be the germy potato. It is best to introduce this potato after recess. When the students come in, have the second potato washed and peeled, then have each child handle it before putting it in the second zip lock bag. Label this bag number two.

Then have the children wash their hands with soap and water for 30 seconds (sing the ABC’s to make sure they wash long enough). Once they have thoroughly cleansed their hands, wash and peel the third potato and have them handle it before putting it in the third plastic zip lock bag. Label this bag number 3.

Now have the students hypothesize: what will happen to the first potato? The second potato? The third potato? The students should draw and/or write daily observations about changes in the potatoes over the course of one week.



Read more at Suite101: The Germy Potato Experiment: Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs The Germy Potato Experiment: Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs

[fishbones]

Lets put sinks outside every public restroom. While we're at it, let's also put them on the inside and outside of every door to every public place. After all, we know that the dirty poopy, pee, boogie hand people go to places other than public restooms. How about on all buses, trains and in all cabs? I shudder to think of all the fecal matter, snots and herpes I've been exposed to while out and about.

Or, everyone could do their best to wash their hands and go on living life unafraid of the poopy germs. If you're too afraid that others don't wash theirs, stay home in your freakin' bubble.

Point is you could put sinks everywhere and people aren't going to use them if it's not a habit to do so. I was out Sat. night and the place had automatic flushing urinals, auto soap dispensers, auto fawcets and no doors to the restrooms (you walked around a corner so no one could see in). You didn't have to touch anything to wash up. Still, guys were taking leaks and then walking right out the door without washing their mitts.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by GattaFish

I read the initial thread,,, and the posts, Especially YOURS, which I have quoted and PROVEN to be foolish nonsense ......,,,, I have noticed that as you have met opposition you have slowly manipulated your answers to try to prove a ridiculous and unfounded point that you and only YOU seem to think is true,,,,,

Never the less still not getting the fact that everyday common items carry disease because PEOPLE DON'T WASH THEIR HANDS...

Isn't cabin fever grand

you have to be f'in kidding me? How the hell have I tweaked my response and how have YOU PROVEN me worng???

We are not talking about disease spread via people and objects, we are talking about disease spread FROM THE BATHROOM, no???
I'll say it clearly as possible - random contact with piss or crap via a restroom will not cause you any health issues 99% of the time.
So you want PROOF, versus your nonsense replies - here goes:
random web research -
There are many simple things that protect you from airborne and surface bacteria, the most powerful being your own immune system. People in decent to excellent health can afford to be reckless more often than the very young or the elderly.
While it is obviously unsanitary to not wash your hands after touching dirty surfaces, more often than not, you will come away unscathed. Your body is tough enough
(WHOA ! wasnt I saying this?????)

from web md -
"To my knowledge, no one has ever acquired an STD on the toilet seat -- unless they were having sex on the toilet seat!" says Abigail Salyers, PhD, president of the American Society for Microbiology (ASM).


Common cold germs, like most viruses, die rapidly, and thus may be less of a threat than you think. "Even if you come into contact with particular viruses or bacteria, you'd have to contract them in amounts large enough to make you sick," says Judy Daly, PhD, professor of pathology at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City.

so.....Im way off? You proved me wrong? So, you live your life worrying that some guy with Hep C may crap on his hands and then make some tuna salad for you? That chance is SO SMALL its insane. How do you drive a car? you chance of dying or getting injured is WAY higher than contacting a serious sickness from a restroom!

[RIJIMMY]

[QUOTE=ecduzitgood;742045]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

duh, whatever - here is a clip from my initial post
"who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle." so, I've gone away from that????? I've now been enlightened that scratching your sack spreads disease? yeah, thats a big problem.....

And Gattafish, my reponses are based on the initial post, maybe Im nuts but i assumed ez is in the united states, and yes I do things differently than if I was in a 3rd world country, I also do things differently when at a some highly used pota potty, but the INITIAL THREAD was about a work environment.
its funny all the strong opinons, lets see the data?
I GUARANTY more people get sick from handling common everyday items than from a restroom sink or door handle. PROVE ME WRONG.[/QUOTE]
How could I prove you wrong?
The germs on everday items would be reduced if more people would wash their hands more. PROVE ME WRONG
If people don't wash their hands in the restroom then where and when do they?
Try this experiement and see what happens:

The Germy Potato Experiment
Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs
Feb 29, 2008 Jennifer Wagaman

Teach children about germs and the importance of washing their hands with this hands-on potato experiment.


The Germy Potato Experiment is designed to teach students about the importance of washing their hands through observation. To do this experiment, you will need three potatoes, hand soap and three plastic bags large enough to put one potato in each.

The Germy Potato Experiment
The first potato will be the control. After washing your hands hands and the potato, peel the potato and put it in a plastic zip lock bag without letting it touch anything else. The idea here is to keep all germs from touching the potato. Label this bag number one.

The second potato will be the germy potato. It is best to introduce this potato after recess. When the students come in, have the second potato washed and peeled, then have each child handle it before putting it in the second zip lock bag. Label this bag number two.

Then have the children wash their hands with soap and water for 30 seconds (sing the ABC’s to make sure they wash long enough). Once they have thoroughly cleansed their hands, wash and peel the third potato and have them handle it before putting it in the third plastic zip lock bag. Label this bag number 3.

Now have the students hypothesize: what will happen to the first potato? The second potato? The third potato? The students should draw and/or write daily observations about changes in the potatoes over the course of one week.



Read more at Suite101: The Germy Potato Experiment: Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs The Germy Potato Experiment: Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs

This is handwashing and nothing to do with the bathroom. get it? your post was about the bathroom, no? in order to rpove you point, you need to show that urine or feces caused the potatoes to become "germy".

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Lets put sinks outside every public restroom. While we're at it, let's also put them on the inside and outside of every door to every public place. After all, we know that the dirty poopy, pee, boogie hand people go to places other than public restooms. How about on all buses, trains and in all cabs? I shudder to think of all the fecal matter, snots and herpes I've been exposed to while out and about.

Or, everyone could do their best to wash their hands and go on living life unafraid of the poopy germs. If you're too afraid that others don't wash theirs, stay home in your freakin' bubble.

Point is you could put sinks everywhere and people aren't going to use them if it's not a habit to do so. I was out Sat. night and the place had automatic flushing urinals, auto soap dispensers, auto fawcets and no doors to the restrooms (you walked around a corner so no one could see in). You didn't have to touch anything to wash up. Still, guys were taking leaks and then walking right out the door without washing their mitts.

Is it really such a bad idea? Perhaps if they could be seen not washing they might do it. Like I stated earlier if it could save space and perhaps get more people to use them; what is the negative side?

[ecduzitgood]

[QUOTE=RIJIMMY;742054]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

This is handwashing and nothing to do with the bathroom. get it? your post was about the bathroom, no?

And out in public you find sinks where?

[RIJIMMY]

im just curious, have you ever made out with some random chick or do you do a throat culture first?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

duh, whatever - here is a clip from my initial post
"who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle." so, I've gone away from that????? I've now been enlightened that scratching your sack spreads disease? yeah, thats a big problem.....

You're right. Human beings have survived terrible living situations for quite a long time in history. They also had life expectancies that barely touched 30 years old.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

You're right. Human beings have survived terrible living situations for quite a long time in history. They also had life expectancies that barely touched 30 years old.

and the immune system has evolved to handle it. I guess I dont equate a mostly clean workforce not consistenly washing their hands in the bathroom as "terrible living situations". Apparently I am in the minority. Im done, enjoy your paranoia. Im going to go crap, pick my nose, do the dirty dishes, clean my kids room and then have sex with my my wife and then get on my knees and pray, we dont get fooled again.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

Is it really such a bad idea? Perhaps if they could be seen not washing they might do it. Like I stated earlier if it could save space and perhaps get more people to use them; what is the negative side?

YES, IT'S A BAD IDEA!!!!!!!! It's not practical to put sinks everywhere. Do you even understand the reality of retrofitting everyplace I mentioned above to put sinks in? No matter what you do, people are going to have dirty hands. Even if people can see, they still won't wash their hands. Do you get it? I was at a Providence Bruins game on Friday and watched as several guys zipped up, turned around and walked out of the restroom without washing. This was at the end of the game when there were lines in the bathroom, so it's not like their poor bathroom hygiene went undetected by others. I then went, washed my hands and left. As I was exiting the rink, I made my wife hold the exit door since I had just washed my hands. She had gloves on.

[ecduzitgood]

Jimmy I have done worse than that but it has nothing to do with being a tough guy, it just has to do with more people washing their hands which might help reduce illness. I know I don't like being sick I'm a bear when I'm sick it irritates the hell out of me that something I can't see can make me feel so bad, I'd rather have an injury that I know how it happened.
And over the years I worked as a janitor in a college science building(also pt at a day care and a rest home) and I did run cultures on many surfaces amazingly the trash barrels next to the professors desk were one of the cleaner places in fact so were the toilet seats . It was the door handles and desktops that had the most filth (germs/viruses/bacteria). But once again if people had easy access to sinks they would wash their hands more and that is where the germs transfer from. Perhaps some people would just wash them because it's right there and it's convenient they wouldn't even have to go in the restroom.

[RIJIMMY]

GOOD GOD! I used to fear nuclear war.......bbbbut now I see the real threat
AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by fishbones

YES, IT'S A BAD IDEA!!!!!!!! It's not practical to put sinks everywhere. Do you even understand the reality of retrofitting everyplace I mentioned above to put sinks in? No matter what you do, people are going to have dirty hands. Even if people can see, they still won't wash their hands. Do you get it? I was at a Providence Bruins game on Friday and watched as several guys zipped up, turned around and walked out of the restroom without washing. This was at the end of the game when there were lines in the bathroom, so it's not like their poor bathroom hygiene went undetected by others. I then went, washed my hands and left. As I was exiting the rink, I made my wife hold the exit door since I had just washed my hands. She had gloves on.

I did not say everywhere I said restrooms and eventually all bathrooms get remolded. At sporting events I'm not suprised who doesn't think there a animal when there; even I do but I wash my hands to get the crap off that I may have picked up from someone else. It has nothing to do with being a tough guy; am I supposed to be impressed by someone NOT washing their hands.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

I did not say everywhere I said restrooms and eventually all bathrooms get remolded. At sporting events I'm not suprised who doesn't think there a animal when there even I do but I wash my hands to get the crap off that I may have picked up from someone else. It has nothing to do with being a tough guy; am I supposed to be impressed by someone NOT washing their hands.

no, but you shouldnt worry about the result of others not doing it as much as you apparently do. As I have been saying over and over, its not a big freakin deal. You'll live.

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

no, but you shouldnt worry about the result of others not doing it as much as you apparently do. As I have been saying over and over, its not a big freakin deal. You'll live.

Hand washing is a big deal! It cost us billions$ in unnecessary emergency room visits because of viruses,germs,bacteria. I have taken your input to mean you are against the idea...ok. Does anyone else think this has any merit and do they have any idea how to go about changing the way things are done.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

my point is that the bathroom does not have any more risk of disease than any other part of your environment. Like or not you come in contact with all kinds of germs every day and beleive it or not 99% of the times you walk away ok. While it may be gross that people dont wash there hands after going to the bathroom, there is little implication to your health.
people pee in public pools, kids puke on school buses, people snort coke on dollar bills, people pick their nose, etc...... you'll live.

I think I'll pass on getting a staff infection thank you very much

have you ever had one? all it take is a small cut,scratch or whatever, it ain't fun or comfortable

I'm not sure about your house, but we try to keep fecal matter confined to the bathroom, but if you think it makes no difference there are germs everywhere, I think you need some education on the subject. There are good germs or bacteria too ya know, those are the ones that battle the bad stuff. I don't think fecal bacteria is a good bacteria.

I'll keep washing my hands and bug my kids to do the same

[The Dad Fisherman]

I don't think Jimmy is saying Don't Wash your Hands....he's saying Don't Freak out about the germs.

Which I think is true.......people tend to be overly paranoid about the whole germ thing, Disenfectant This and Hand Sanitizer that. Good ones and Bad ones are everywhere and there really isn't anything you can do to keep yourself germ free...outside of living in a plastic bubble.

If you got kids you might as well just wave the white flag...they go to the Public Petri Dish everyday for school anyways.

[ecduzitgood]

Would this help get more people to wash their hands
just to lighten the mood.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I don't think Jimmy is saying Don't Wash your Hands....he's saying Don't Freak out about the germs.

Which I think is true.......people tend to be overly paranoid about the whole germ thing, Disenfectant This and Hand Sanitizer that. Good ones and Bad ones are everywhere and there really isn't anything you can do to keep yourself germ free...outside of living in a plastic bubble.

If you got kids you might as well just wave the white flag...they go to the Public Petri Dish everyday for school anyways.

exactly, but thats just me tweakin' my story....
I've tried to rephrase it many ways - be a man, dont worry about it, you'll survive, etc....the risk of catching anything from a bathroom is incredibly slim. This thread was about OTHERS washing their hands, not you.

[PRBuzz]

Germs are everywhere....it is not necessarily about the germs and exposure to them...it is about your immunity and ability to fight of infection. Guess how you get immunity: exposure!

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by PRBuzz

Germs are everywhere....it is not necessarily about the germs and exposure to them...it is about your immunity and ability to fight of infection. Guess how you get immunity: exposure!

There are things that we have no immunity to that hand washing can eliminate.