NO MORE FISHING

[Van]

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.....PERIOD......

At least GW (you remember that moron) liked to fish......

[Raven]

so if every recreational striper fisherman
suddenly became 100% catch and release
this year..And not a bad idea considering the Pcb's

Wouldn't that totally deflate their position
speaking hypothetically of course?

Then we'd just be called fish abusers i guess.

also "what Crafty said"

[afterhours]

this is not our fathers usa...anymore. they can eff with us in any whichway (they do), but if they eff with our fishing there will be hell to pay - i promise .

[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

No, you're wrong. Sometimes I just ask you questions to see what you think. I may not put much stock in your opinions, but I like to hear what you have to say sometimes. Anyways, I never asserted anything. Not sure where you got that from.

And in this case, the question assumed the activist groups were a threat.

Do you think that WWF, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, Pew Environment Group and the others are a short or long-term threat?

[spence]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

NO! The objective of the task force is to come up with recommendations for "spatial planning" for the inland waters and oceans of the United States. The concern is that their initial draft totally ignored fishing in their proposed plan, hence the assumption that they were ignoring fishermen.

When Apolitical groups like the American Sportfishing Assoc. start sounding the alarms you know there is probably some reason for their concerns.

By objective I mean operationally, not as a deliverable. I could have chosen a more appropriate word.

Is there a proposed plan?

-spence

[Backbeach Jake]

Originally Posted by Tagger

Fishing registration was just to get our names .. Expect a knock on the door ,, fishing tackle collectors ..

I'll feel sorry for the poor dope who tries to take my gear. It'll be "Game On" and he'll be the kick-off.

Let me add this: All of the Earth's resources are being gathered up by a relatively small group of investers. Just look around. Oil, Energy, Farmland (read food here folks). Everything. We're being corralled for the financial kill.

[Backbeach Jake]

Originally Posted by Raven

so if every recreational striper fisherman
suddenly became 100% catch and release
this year..And not a bad idea considering the Pcb's

Wouldn't that totally deflate their position
speaking hypothetically of course?

Then we'd just be called fish abusers i guess.

also "what Crafty said"

It's not about fish Raven, it's about control and money. We're slowly being moved toward a kind of slavery. Control the food, control the jobs, control the housing, control the people. It's rather insidious.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

It's not about fish Raven, it's about control and money. We're slowly being moved toward a kind of slavery. Control the food, control the jobs, control the housing, control the people. It's rather insidious.

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Oh i totally agree Fred....and this is why i have MAJORED
if you will...in both self sufficiency and home food production
ever since i read my first issue of Mother Earth in 1970!
~
I mean there's a way to raise Talapia underneath the growing beds and have the roots dangling there in a semi hydroponic fashion where the fish are shaded and cool where their waste
products actually fertilise the plants above.
~
I plan on retiring to a part of the country where Farming is the life blood and it won't be turned into a megatropolis any time soon.

Don, I have to agree...and i was thinking today... that rather than passively wait for it to be bamboozled upon us we should rize up and get mad dog mean with our representatives.

Basically saying: we are watching exactly how you respond and act when it comes to protecting what we consider to be our Birthrite to fish and we will vote ANYONE out of office that votes against the fisherman in any way, shape, or form.

an idea just popped into my head just now....
i always liked the guy who glued a letter to a brick
and then mailed it.

using that strategy.....why could we not send them air.
it's perfectly legal thus far to mail them an empty BOX
with a letter inside suspended by old fishing line.

the post office will even supply them free.

recycle the damned styrafoam peanuts right back to Washington by the billions. Too Bad we don't have a special kind in the shape of those nasty little fish crackers.

and No i have not been

[stripermaineiac]

Hi all, I talked with a freind in California who is a very reputed custom rod builder and surcaster out there. They have been fighting this battle for a bit but it's been call Marine Protection Zones and so on. It started with the gallapogos Islands and has spread to over 20 different areas. Some larger than new England in size. The antis are our problem not our own issues about Striper sizes and catch limits.These people want all of us to just go away even to the extent of making owning or possessing impliments used for fishing or hunting.I've gone to some of their meetings to the point of joining one of them to get on their mailing list. These groups are very dangerous and don't underestimate them .Many of them are run by the same rich types that don't have to work and chase one cause after another for fun at our exspence so they can control what is done by others.
Yrs ago I was open minded about their actions but when the sierra club went after hikers because their colorful clothing was an affront to nature and should be outlawed-colorfull clothes make it easier to find lost people in the woods-to include groups like the Boy Scouts kinda showed me these people don't live nor think in the real world. Ron

[spence]

I heard, through a friend of a friend, that the Department of Justice has subpoenaed the lists of subscribers to most saltwater fishing magazines.

In addition, a guy I know tells me that the CIA has been at the Narrow River and most RI breech ways affixing transponders to trucks with rod racks.

But.

You didn't hear that from me.

-spence

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

It's not about fish Raven, it's about control and money. We're slowly being moved toward a kind of slavery. Control the food, control the jobs, control the housing, control the people. It's rather insidious.

You forgot take away the guns ..

[good2hook]

Originally Posted by afterhours

this is not our fathers usa...anymore. they can eff with us in any whichway (they do), but if they eff with our fishing there will be hell to pay - i promise .

i'm with ya Don.

Seems like lately, everytime i get on either of the fishing sites i frequent, there's a story or two that bums me out. I take everything to heart and worry too much. It's starting to take its toll on me. It scares me that i might not be able to fish with my son because of this, that and the other thing. I miss the good old days. Man i'm so worried about the future and what's in store for my daughter and son, not just fishing, but life in general. The world i know has changed so much in 10 years.

[stripermaineiac]

Well Spence ask anyone who has a plover problem to deal with. They went so far as to try to make it so that people living close to nest were gonna be kept out of their front yards an had to keep their windows closed. I beleive it was the Audobon Association that suggested that. This stuff sounds stupid but it is real and if we don't take it seious well ask how the people feel that can't access all those closed beaches anymore due to a bird nest.Then watch all the do gooders driving by to watch over the birds because they are better than the fishermen and beach walkers that used to be able to use these beaches. Ron

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by good2hook

i'm with ya Don.

Seems like lately, everytime i get on either of the fishing sites i frequent, there's a story or two that bums me out. I take everything to heart and worry too much. It's starting to take its toll on me .

Don't worry George .. Probably just a ploy to drive lure prices down on ebay .. We're not at Soylent Green stage yet ,,, See you in Thunder Dome ..

[mosholu]

My take from reading that article is that various groups are way ahead of the fishing community on this and if we do not get ourselves organized they will clearly have greater influence on future regulations than the fishing community. As fisherman seem from history a difficult group to organize I wonder why the equipment manufacturers like Penn etc. are up to serving as the focal point for the fishing community's views. Maybe our tackle shops should contact their various reps and tell them of the problem and that we need them to serve as a point for voice of the fishing community.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripermaineiac

Well Spence ask anyone who has a plover problem to deal with. They went so far as to try to make it so that people living close to nest were gonna be kept out of their front yards an had to keep their windows closed. I beleive it was the Audobon Association that suggested that. This stuff sounds stupid but it is real and if we don't take it seious well ask how the people feel that can't access all those closed beaches anymore due to a bird nest.Then watch all the do gooders driving by to watch over the birds because they are better than the fishermen and beach walkers that used to be able to use these beaches. Ron

Different issues at play here...

While I think the Plover thing has gotten a bit silly, the issue there is about protecting a bird from collateral human interference rather than a fish species from capture and consumption.

This issue about the Feds trying to restrict recreational fisherman doesn't seem to have any real basis, it's tin foil hat stuff at this point.

Yes, there are marine protected areas, but I don't think anybody (of real influence) is going to argue that fishing should be banned because a fish like the striped bass is threatened. The point of the Administration's effort is to look at the issue of natural resource management from a systemic perspective, taking into account positive factors like economic impact along with the health of the species.

Until I see something of substance, this is all fear mongering based on a blog post on ESPN. Perhaps we should blame Druge.

-spence

[stripermaineiac]

Problem is that every time we wait and see we get hit with another sucker shot and it's too late to fix it or do much about it. The people running most of these things don't need to work so they have all the time in the world to do what they plan. we come home from work and find gates locked and beaches closed cause we just waited and didn't see till it was too late. Ron

[RIROCKHOUND]

Does anyone really believe with the billions of dollars spent on this sport, including vacations, gear, charters etc... they would ban it in all federal state and coastal waters...

lay off the pipe. it's making everyone paranoid

[JackK]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Does anyone really believe with the billions of dollars spent on this sport, including vacations, gear, charters etc... they would ban it in all federal state and coastal waters...

lay off the pipe. it's making everyone paranoid

Agreed... The author even says that the "task force has been in lockstep with that position paper [Transition Green]", but that paper stresses the importance of recreational fishing. He then goes on to imply that because they don't mention the benefits of recreational angling in another paper, it's being ignored and "lumped together [with commercial fishing] as harmful to the resource".

Just because it's not mentioned doesn't mean it's going to be outlawed. No way it's going to be banned. This is from an ESPN column, anyway!

Do these groups want heavy limitations on commercial guys, though? Definitely. And that's why they need to be watched. They really have no clue what they're talking about, and if they really have that much influence on management then it's (imho) kinda ridiculous.

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by spence

I heard, through a friend of a friend, that the Department of Justice has subpoenaed the lists of subscribers to most saltwater fishing magazines.

In addition, a guy I know tells me that the CIA has been at the Narrow River and most RI breech ways affixing transponders to trucks with rod racks.

But.

You didn't hear that from me.

-spence

Those UAV's don't just fly in the Middle East

[MAKAI]

Gotta fight the Power baby.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

And in this case, the question assumed the activist groups were a threat.

Wow you're dense, Spence. The question was a question. I asked your opinion and assumed nothing. Why does there always have to be more to everything with you? I actually think you're somewhat bright and I just wanted to know what you thought. No assertions or assumptions on my part. Geez, try for just a minute to get over yourself.

[sokinwet]

The concept of Spatial Planning or "ocean zoning" on it's face "could" be a good thing if all stakeholders actually had some say and voting control of the process. Think of the things recently proposed like, Cape Wind, gas terminal on Outer Brewster, etc. These are ideas driven by BIG $$ that don't really care about other users...only their bottom line. Proper spatial planning could site these type of necessary activities in the appropriate areas. IMO the problem with this is that groups with the $$ and undue political influence will always gain control of the process and fragmented groups like sportsmen will get the shaft. The timeframe for development of this plan is very troubling as is the lack of recognition of the social and financial benefits of fishing. Given what's been happening lately, any fisherman that isn't writing their rep's to give rational input is giving up without a fight and might as well take up golf. Screaming that the POTUS is a communist, muslim isn't going to get anyone a seat at the discussion table....just get us thrown out of the meeting.

[MAKAI]

Just went through the "Interim report of the interagency ocean policy task force"
Task force ? Cute name, my dictionary definition is " an armed force organized for a special operation"
What a bunch of vague lawyerese dribble. How many more entitled hacks are going to load up on this gravy train. ?

Page 30, had a curious sentence, "It will allow for the reduction of cumulative impacts from human uses on marine ecosystems. "

What does that mean ?

I know it's just me throwing gas on a fire, and I know fishing is not going to be banned.
I just have a real hard time with "This Regime" telling me how to think and act.

[Raven]

in AMERICA ....

Its time for a regime Change!

and LAWS can be recinded ....

I'm sure i'll be breaking them

[wader-dad]

A guy posted the following on the Montauk site;

This was issued today by NOAA in response to the ESPN article and ESPN issued an apology which is below.

Statement from Eric Schwaab, NOAA's Assistant Administrator for NOAA's Fisheries Service

The Ocean Policy Task Force has not recommended a ban on recreational
fishing.

The draft reports by the Ocean Policy Task Force do not contain a zoning map and do not establish any restrictions on recreational fishing, nor make any judgments about whether one ocean activity or use is better than another. Instead, the reports set up a policy and framework for effectively managing the many sustainable uses of the ocean while upholding our responsibility to be stewards of our oceans, coasts and Great Lakes.

As a member of the task force, NOAA Administrator Jane Lubchenco, has said, and I echo her on this, that saltwater recreational fishing is vital to this nation and NOAA is committed to building a strong partnership with America’s saltwater anglers to ensure that Americans have opportunities to fish sustainably for generations to come.

Saltwater recreational fishing matters to me on a personal level as a recreational fisherman, it matters to millions of Americans who enjoy this great sport and it matters to our economy. Our most recent economic report shows it supports a half million jobs and generates $82 billion in sales each year.

NOAA is committed to adopting policies that will ensure that current and future generations have the opportunity to enjoy the great tradition of recreational fishing.





On another note, ESPN Outdoors issued an apology about Robert Montgomery's article stating that it was an opinion piece.


By Steve Bowman
Executive Editor ESPNOutdoors.com
Archive

Firestorms get started in a variety of ways, especially on politicized issues.

ESPNOutdoors.com inadvertently contributed to a flare-up Tuesday when we posted the latest article in a series of stories on President Barack Obama's newly created Ocean Policy Task Force, a column written by Robert Montgomery, a conservation writer for BASS since 1985. Regrettably, we made several errors in the editing and presentation of this installment. Though our series has included numerous news stories on the topic, this was not one of them -- it was an opinion piece, and should have been clearly labeled as commentary.

And while our series overall has examined several sides of the topic, this particular column was not properly balanced and failed to represent contrary points of view. We have reached out to people on every side of the issue and reported their points of view -- if they chose to respond -- throughout the series, but failed to do so in this specific column.

This series started in October and has included several updates on how the creation of the task force and its actions could impact recreational anglers. ESPNOutdoors.com should have made it clear to all readers that this was part of a larger series, and -- even though this was Montgomery's opinion, and those of the sources quoted in the column -- we should have taken more care to fairly represent opposing arguments.

We do feel it is our duty to cover issues surrounding outdoor sports to the best of our abilities, and given the nature of this task force and the potential impact on all fisherman, this was an appropriate topic to address for our audience. We take seriously the tenets of journalism that require we take an unbiased approach, and when we make mistakes in the presentation of a story or a column, it is our responsibility to admit them.

Any confusion on that part rests entirely on my shoulders as the executive editor of this site.

We have appended the original column to note that it was in fact a commentary, and we will institute more rigorous editing safeguards in order to prevent such issues in the future.
__________________

[Raven]

but i will still reserve Judgment as to what is said
By the Task force and the Obamination ADMINISTRATION
in the coming days...

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by stripermaineiac

Hi all, I talked with a freind in California who is a very reputed custom rod builder and surcaster out there. They have been fighting this battle for a bit but it's been call Marine Protection Zones and so on. It started with the gallapogos Islands and has spread to over 20 different areas. Some larger than new England in size. The antis are our problem not our own issues about Striper sizes and catch limits.These people want all of us to just go away even to the extent of making owning or possessing impliments used for fishing or hunting.I've gone to some of their meetings to the point of joining one of them to get on their mailing list. These groups are very dangerous and don't underestimate them .Many of them are run by the same rich types that don't have to work and chase one cause after another for fun at our exspence so they can control what is done by others.
Yrs ago I was open minded about their actions but when the sierra club went after hikers because their colorful clothing was an affront to nature and should be outlawed-colorfull clothes make it easier to find lost people in the woods-to include groups like the Boy Scouts kinda showed me these people don't live nor think in the real world. Ron

It was the Catalina islands, the galapagos islands are off the coast of Equador!

[MakoMike]

CSF, RFBC submit comments to White House task force

February 12, 2010 (WASHINGTON, DC) - The Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation, along with its partners in the U.S. Recreational Fishing & Boating Coalition, submitted formal comments Friday to the White House Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force, voicing the concerns of recreational boating and angling interests.

The "Interim Framework for Effective Coastal and Marine Spatial Planning" is the second document released by the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force which was created by President Obama last June to develop a draft national policy and implementation strategy for conserving and managing the oceans, the Great Lakes, and the coasts of the United States.

In the first draft policy report, the "Interim Report of the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force", released on September 17, the Task Force failed to include specific issues of concern to the recreational fishing and boating communities, in spite of a summer meeting with the Task Force and a written submission from the coalition.

The groups' comments, submitted to Ms. Nancy Sutley, chair of the Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) and the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force, clearly define the importance of recreational angling and boating to the national economy and our nation's social fabric.

"Some of the potential policy implications of the this Interim Framework have the potential to be a real threat to recreational anglers who not only contribute billions of dollars to the economy and millions of dollars in tax revenues to support fisheries conservation, but who are also the backbone of the American fish and wildlife conservation ethos," said CSF President Jeff Crane.

Among numerous other concerns is the development a top-down federal approach to ocean management that would impact every sector and every ocean activity. This new structure is built on vague or unspecified statutory authority, without input from Congress, and does not appropriately recognize the role of the states, which have the primary jurisdiction for resident fish and wildlife.

Given the scope of economic, conservation, and social contributions of recreational fishing and boating, it is imperative that any national ocean policy encourage, promote and celebrate recreational activities in the marine and freshwater environments. This can only be achieved if the policy and the implementation of marine spatial planning provide for access to marine areas for recreation and the opportunities for angling.

"There are over 1 million jobs in America supported coast to coast by recreational fishing. The Task Force has not included any accountability requirements in their reports for evaluating or mitigating how the new policies they are drafting will impact the fishing industry or related economies," said Phil Morlock, CSF Board Member and Director of Environmental Affairs for Shimano. "Given that the scope of this process appears to include a new set of policies for all the coastal and inland waters of the United States, the omission of economic considerations is inexcusable."

Congressional Sportsmen's Caucus (CSC) member Rep. Adam Putnam and CSC House Co-Chair Rep. Dan Boren sent a letter to Ms. Sutley in November, urging inclusion of the recreational fishing community in the formation of a proposed new ocean governance structure.

"Inclusion of the recreational fishing community in this effort could greatly assist the task force's stated objectives," said Rep. Boren. "They should welcome the participation of recreational anglers and seek their support in ensuring the conservation, maintenance, and restoration of our nation's oceans and lakes."

[stripermaineiac]

Your right it is the Catalinas. The Galapagos you just plain aren't supposed to go near without a special permit. The waters around them are a different type of protection zone. Mixed them up while reading the report form the Autobon Society that i found.It lists a bunch of west coast Isles. Sorry for the mistake. Ron