NO MORE FISHING - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

big jay · 03-09-2010, 10:33 AM

I understood exactly what you meant -- and the fact is that people that get behind these pieces of legislation, and very vocal about them in the name of conservation, are just being set up for dissappointment.

Large Scale Bass Fishing -- how about dividing that 1 million lbs of Mass Quota among 5 mid-water trawlers? They could easily do that under the guise of "less but better paying jobs" (quoting our new NOAA director here) - and also the claim that fewer boats are more effective to manage in regards to hard quotas and reduction in the black market.

It's not about the fish with these people.

Nebe · 03-09-2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by big jay

I understood exactly what you meant -- and the fact is that people that get behind these pieces of legislation, and very vocal about them in the name of conservation, are just being set up for dissappointment.

Large Scale Bass Fishing -- how about dividing that 1 million lbs of Mass Quota among 5 mid-water trawlers? They could easily do that under the guise of "less but better paying jobs" (quoting our new NOAA director here) - and also the claim that fewer boats are more effective to manage in regards to hard quotas and reduction in the black market.

It's not about the fish with these people.

Your completely right.

Mr. Sandman · 03-09-2010, 11:25 AM

You voted these guys in...YOU wanted "Hope and change" Well, this is what you wanted right?

Didn't expect this did you?

YOU have to vote them OUT. Do your duty every November.

Tagger · 03-09-2010, 11:50 AM

Fishing registration was just to get our names .. Expect a knock on the door ,, fishing tackle collectors ..

UserRemoved1 · 03-09-2010, 11:54 AM

Eddy the same thing crossed my mind...

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Fishing registration was just to get our names .. Expect a knock on the door ,, fishing tackle collectors ..

Moses · 03-09-2010, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tagger

Fishing registration was just to get our names .. Expect a knock on the door ,, fishing tackle collectors ..

Really makes you think, doesn't it...

Mike P · 03-09-2010, 12:28 PM

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Fishing registration was just to get our names .. Expect a knock on the door ,, fishing tackle collectors ..

They haven't come to collect anyone's guns yet, and they have had to be licensed for years.

Crafty Angler · 03-09-2010, 01:35 PM

Yeah, well they can take my fishing tackle when they pry it out of my cold, dead hands...

On a serious note - and at the risk of making a political statement in the wrong forum - we live in a plutocracy (rule by the wealthy) and serving corporate interests to accelerate that transfer of wealth is a large part of the system. That's what all three branches of government are paid to do (in one way or another) by lobbyists.

I voted for Obama and regret it, but it's not like we actually had a choice

The two parties are basically the same creature with two heads. The point is the same, the only difference is the delivery

Expect the largest contributors to their re-election funds to be the voices heard most clearly, regardless

CaptMike · 03-09-2010, 01:51 PM

for people who bitch a lot about poor fishing, fishermen sure do fight conservation efforts pretty hard. I'm wondering if there could ever be a conservation effort that a majority of fishermen would support?

MakoMike · 03-09-2010, 03:27 PM

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They haven't come to collect anyone's guns yet, and they have had to be licensed for years.

I guess you don't live in NYC where they did Exactly that required "assault weapons" to be registered and then the banned them and had a list of everyone who owned one.

Backbeach Jake · 03-09-2010, 06:18 PM

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Fishing registration was just to get our names .. Expect a knock on the door ,, fishing tackle collectors ..

I'll feel sorry for the poor dope who tries to take my gear. It'll be "Game On" and he'll be the kick-off.

Let me add this: All of the Earth's resources are being gathered up by a relatively small group of investers. Just look around. Oil, Energy, Farmland (read food here folks). Everything. We're being corralled for the financial kill.

spence · 03-09-2010, 12:05 PM

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You voted these guys in...YOU wanted "Hope and change" Well, this is what you wanted right?

Didn't expect this did you?

YOU have to vote them OUT. Do your duty every November.

I think you're reading too much into this. The objective of the task force was to capture public input for 60 days...

While I agree the influence of corporate fishing is a long-term threat, I don't see anything here that indicates recreational fishing is going to be restricted in a substantial way. There is the anecdote of bear hunting...but while there's a thin parallel...fish and bear aren't exactly the same thing.

-spence

fishbones · 03-09-2010, 12:12 PM

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I think you're reading too much into this. The objective of the task force was to capture public input for 60 days...

While I agree the influence of corporate fishing is a long-term threat, I don't see anything here that indicates recreational fishing is going to be restricted in a substantial way. There is the anecdote of bear hunting...but while there's a thin parallel...fish and bear aren't exactly the same thing.

-spence

Do you think that WWF, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, Pew Environment Group and the others are a short or long-term threat?

scottw · 03-09-2010, 12:19 PM

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Do you think that WWF, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, Pew Environment Group and the others are a short or long-term threat?

did you happen to catch the news clip of the Greenpeace boat that looked like the Batmoblie chasing a whaling ship a little while back and the whaling ship just ran the Batmobile over?...I don't want to see them harpooning whales but i did laugh my @## off at that.....the Greenpeace Batmobile boat was a "short term threat"

spence · 03-09-2010, 01:07 PM

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Do you think that WWF, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, Pew Environment Group and the others are a short or long-term threat?

There are pros and cons with activism, and various levels at that. You simply can't lump it all together...

-spence

fishbones · 03-09-2010, 01:11 PM

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There are pros and cons with activism, and various levels at that. You simply can't lump it all together...

-spence

I'm not lumping them together. The article that you're commenting on did. So, will you answer my question?

MakoMike · 03-09-2010, 03:31 PM

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I think you're reading too much into this. The objective of the task force was to capture public input for 60 days...

NO! The objective of the task force is to come up with recommendations for "spatial planning" for the inland waters and oceans of the United States. The concern is that their initial draft totally ignored fishing in their proposed plan, hence the assumption that they were ignoring fishermen.

When Apolitical groups like the American Sportfishing Assoc. start sounding the alarms you know there is probably some reason for their concerns.

Van · 03-09-2010, 03:57 PM

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.....PERIOD......

At least GW (you remember that moron) liked to fish......

Raven · 03-09-2010, 05:14 PM

so if every recreational striper fisherman
suddenly became 100% catch and release
this year..And not a bad idea considering the Pcb's

Wouldn't that totally deflate their position
speaking hypothetically of course?

Then we'd just be called fish abusers i guess.

also "what Crafty said"

afterhours · 03-09-2010, 05:52 PM

this is not our fathers usa...anymore. they can eff with us in any whichway (they do), but if they eff with our fishing there will be hell to pay - i promise

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good2hook · 03-09-2010, 08:04 PM

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this is not our fathers usa...anymore. they can eff with us in any whichway (they do), but if they eff with our fishing there will be hell to pay - i promise

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i'm with ya Don.

Seems like lately, everytime i get on either of the fishing sites i frequent, there's a story or two that bums me out. I take everything to heart and worry too much. It's starting to take its toll on me. It scares me that i might not be able to fish with my son because of this, that and the other thing. I miss the good old days. Man i'm so worried about the future and what's in store for my daughter and son, not just fishing, but life in general. The world i know has changed so much in 10 years.

spence · 03-09-2010, 06:06 PM

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NO! The objective of the task force is to come up with recommendations for "spatial planning" for the inland waters and oceans of the United States. The concern is that their initial draft totally ignored fishing in their proposed plan, hence the assumption that they were ignoring fishermen.

When Apolitical groups like the American Sportfishing Assoc. start sounding the alarms you know there is probably some reason for their concerns.

By objective I mean operationally, not as a deliverable. I could have chosen a more appropriate word.

Is there a proposed plan?

-spence