NO MORE FISHING

[spence]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

You voted these guys in...YOU wanted "Hope and change" Well, this is what you wanted right? Didn't expect this did you?


YOU have to vote them OUT. Do your duty every November.

I think you're reading too much into this. The objective of the task force was to capture public input for 60 days...

While I agree the influence of corporate fishing is a long-term threat, I don't see anything here that indicates recreational fishing is going to be restricted in a substantial way. There is the anecdote of bear hunting...but while there's a thin parallel...fish and bear aren't exactly the same thing.

-spence

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you're reading too much into this. The objective of the task force was to capture public input for 60 days...

While I agree the influence of corporate fishing is a long-term threat, I don't see anything here that indicates recreational fishing is going to be restricted in a substantial way. There is the anecdote of bear hunting...but while there's a thin parallel...fish and bear aren't exactly the same thing.

-spence

Do you think that WWF, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, Pew Environment Group and the others are a short or long-term threat?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Do you think that WWF, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, Pew Environment Group and the others are a short or long-term threat?

did you happen to catch the news clip of the Greenpeace boat that looked like the Batmoblie chasing a whaling ship a little while back and the whaling ship just ran the Batmobile over?...I don't want to see them harpooning whales but i did laugh my @## off at that.....the Greenpeace Batmobile boat was a "short term threat"

[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Do you think that WWF, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, Pew Environment Group and the others are a short or long-term threat?

There are pros and cons with activism, and various levels at that. You simply can't lump it all together...

-spence

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

There are pros and cons with activism, and various levels at that. You simply can't lump it all together...

-spence

I'm not lumping them together. The article that you're commenting on did. So, will you answer my question?

[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I'm not lumping them together. The article that you're commenting on did. So, will you answer my question?

I did answer your question, by stating that the threat of activist groups as positioned by yourself was lacking in context to be of much importance.

The article you're commenting on is trying to string you along by sequencing elements in the hope that you'll make the connections by yourself.

A) The Obama Admin closed the window for public comment

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B) Radical activists will protect animals just because they're cute

must =

C) Obama wants to screw fisherman because that's what liberals do

The author seems to want you to believe that the Administration is out to exact some dubious revenge on the sportsperson, callously striking their input for the record so they can close the doors and work with tree spiking radicals to shut down an entire industry....just like they did in ONTARIO.

This doesn't appear to be true.

-spence

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

I did answer your question, by stating that the threat of activist groups as positioned by yourself was lacking in context to be of much importance.

The article you're commenting on is trying to string you along by sequencing elements in the hope that you'll make the connections by yourself.

A) The Obama Admin closed the window for public comment

+

B) Radical activists will protect animals just because they're cute

must =

C) Obama wants to screw fisherman because that's what liberals do

The author seems to want you to believe that the Administration is out to exact some dubious revenge on the sportsperson, callously striking their input for the record so they can close the doors and work with tree spiking radicals to shut down an entire industry....just like they did in ONTARIO.

This doesn't appear to be true.

-spence

Actually, I wasn't trying to position anything. I asked you a question because you commented on corporate fishing, but not the activist groups. I was just curious as to what you thought about the activist groups mentioned in the article. Nothing more, nothing less. But as usual, you tried to use the old end around and not just give a simple answer. Do you ever get tired of thinking up different ways to come off as a blowhard?

[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Actually, I wasn't trying to position anything. I asked you a question because you commented on corporate fishing, but not the activist groups. I was just curious as to what you thought about the activist groups mentioned in the article. Nothing more, nothing less. But as usual, you tried to use the old end around and not just give a simple answer. Do you ever get tired of thinking up different ways to come off as a blowhard?

Nothing more, nothing less? You asserted they were a threat.

-spence

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you're reading too much into this. The objective of the task force was to capture public input for 60 days...

NO! The objective of the task force is to come up with recommendations for "spatial planning" for the inland waters and oceans of the United States. The concern is that their initial draft totally ignored fishing in their proposed plan, hence the assumption that they were ignoring fishermen.

When Apolitical groups like the American Sportfishing Assoc. start sounding the alarms you know there is probably some reason for their concerns.

[Van]

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.....PERIOD......

At least GW (you remember that moron) liked to fish......

[Raven]

so if every recreational striper fisherman
suddenly became 100% catch and release
this year..And not a bad idea considering the Pcb's

Wouldn't that totally deflate their position
speaking hypothetically of course?

Then we'd just be called fish abusers i guess.

also "what Crafty said"

[Backbeach Jake]

Originally Posted by Raven

so if every recreational striper fisherman
suddenly became 100% catch and release
this year..And not a bad idea considering the Pcb's

Wouldn't that totally deflate their position
speaking hypothetically of course?

Then we'd just be called fish abusers i guess.

also "what Crafty said"

It's not about fish Raven, it's about control and money. We're slowly being moved toward a kind of slavery. Control the food, control the jobs, control the housing, control the people. It's rather insidious.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

It's not about fish Raven, it's about control and money. We're slowly being moved toward a kind of slavery. Control the food, control the jobs, control the housing, control the people. It's rather insidious.

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Oh i totally agree Fred....and this is why i have MAJORED
if you will...in both self sufficiency and home food production
ever since i read my first issue of Mother Earth in 1970!
~
I mean there's a way to raise Talapia underneath the growing beds and have the roots dangling there in a semi hydroponic fashion where the fish are shaded and cool where their waste
products actually fertilise the plants above.
~
I plan on retiring to a part of the country where Farming is the life blood and it won't be turned into a megatropolis any time soon.

Don, I have to agree...and i was thinking today... that rather than passively wait for it to be bamboozled upon us we should rize up and get mad dog mean with our representatives.

Basically saying: we are watching exactly how you respond and act when it comes to protecting what we consider to be our Birthrite to fish and we will vote ANYONE out of office that votes against the fisherman in any way, shape, or form.

an idea just popped into my head just now....
i always liked the guy who glued a letter to a brick
and then mailed it.

using that strategy.....why could we not send them air.
it's perfectly legal thus far to mail them an empty BOX
with a letter inside suspended by old fishing line.

the post office will even supply them free.

recycle the damned styrafoam peanuts right back to Washington by the billions. Too Bad we don't have a special kind in the shape of those nasty little fish crackers.

and No i have not been

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

It's not about fish Raven, it's about control and money. We're slowly being moved toward a kind of slavery. Control the food, control the jobs, control the housing, control the people. It's rather insidious.

You forgot take away the guns ..

[afterhours]

this is not our fathers usa...anymore. they can eff with us in any whichway (they do), but if they eff with our fishing there will be hell to pay - i promise .

[good2hook]

Originally Posted by afterhours

this is not our fathers usa...anymore. they can eff with us in any whichway (they do), but if they eff with our fishing there will be hell to pay - i promise .

i'm with ya Don.

Seems like lately, everytime i get on either of the fishing sites i frequent, there's a story or two that bums me out. I take everything to heart and worry too much. It's starting to take its toll on me. It scares me that i might not be able to fish with my son because of this, that and the other thing. I miss the good old days. Man i'm so worried about the future and what's in store for my daughter and son, not just fishing, but life in general. The world i know has changed so much in 10 years.

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by good2hook

i'm with ya Don.

Seems like lately, everytime i get on either of the fishing sites i frequent, there's a story or two that bums me out. I take everything to heart and worry too much. It's starting to take its toll on me .

Don't worry George .. Probably just a ploy to drive lure prices down on ebay .. We're not at Soylent Green stage yet ,,, See you in Thunder Dome ..

[spence]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

NO! The objective of the task force is to come up with recommendations for "spatial planning" for the inland waters and oceans of the United States. The concern is that their initial draft totally ignored fishing in their proposed plan, hence the assumption that they were ignoring fishermen.

When Apolitical groups like the American Sportfishing Assoc. start sounding the alarms you know there is probably some reason for their concerns.

By objective I mean operationally, not as a deliverable. I could have chosen a more appropriate word.

Is there a proposed plan?

-spence