NO MORE FISHING

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Task force ends public input - ESPN

I didn't vote for him.

[RIJIMMY]

f'in great

[Nebe]

If I had a Crystal ball and could see into the future, and saw with certainty that having a closed fishery of all kinds for say 5 years would make the fishing absolutely %$%$%$%$ing amazing, Id hand in all my gear. The problem that I have is that what is happening is all smoke in mirrors... the ocean is about to be taken over by corporate fishing vessels owned by larger corporations. The first step in this plan is to tell everyone that fishing has to stop... the 2nd step is to watch all of the small family owned boats fold and the 3rd is to divide the fish amongst those who are left. I believe we are on step 3 right now. Sector based fisheries managment has set the stage for this. Watch.

[big jay]

Originally Posted by Nebe

If I had a Crystal ball and could see into the future, and saw with certainty that having a closed fishery of all kinds for say 5 years would make the fishing absolutely %$%$%$%$ing amazing, Id hand in all my gear. The problem that I have is that what is happening is all smoke in mirrors... the ocean is about to be taken over by corporate fishing vessels owned by larger corporations. The first step in this plan is to tell everyone that fishing has to stop... the 2nd step is to watch all of the small family owned boats fold and the 3rd is to divide the fish amongst those who are left. I believe we are on step 3 right now. Sector based fisheries managment has set the stage for this. Watch.

Eben - you are exactly right.

Now think about that the next time there is an article or legislation propsed to shut down small scale commercial fishing (Stripers, Tuna, etc) -

- when you so eloquently voice your support for such initiatives, you are part of the master plan.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by big jay

Eben - you are exactly right.

Now think about that the next time there is an article or legislation propsed to shut down small scale commercial fishing (Stripers, Tuna, etc) -

- when you so eloquently voice your support for such initiatives, you are part of the master plan.

You did not understand what I am saying- What I mean is that if this legislation was just about the fish, I would not have a problem with it... but its not. And I have a big problem with that.

In regards to small scale fishing like stripers, I dont see any large scale commercial interest in it.... with the exception of farming them.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by Nebe

If I had a Crystal ball and could see into the future, and saw with certainty that having a closed fishery of all kinds for say 5 years would make the fishing absolutely %$%$%$%$ing amazing, Id hand in all my gear. The problem that I have is that what is happening is all smoke in mirrors... the ocean is about to be taken over by corporate fishing vessels owned by larger corporations. The first step in this plan is to tell everyone that fishing has to stop... the 2nd step is to watch all of the small family owned boats fold and the 3rd is to divide the fish amongst those who are left. I believe we are on step 3 right now. Sector based fisheries managment has set the stage for this. Watch.

Agreed, and add to that the interests of the big oil companies and wind farm owners and you can see why they want all of us, e.g. small scale commercials and recreationals off the water. Only thing we can do to atop it is to get Congress involved. Write you congressman and senators now!

[big jay]

I understood exactly what you meant -- and the fact is that people that get behind these pieces of legislation, and very vocal about them in the name of conservation, are just being set up for dissappointment.

Large Scale Bass Fishing -- how about dividing that 1 million lbs of Mass Quota among 5 mid-water trawlers? They could easily do that under the guise of "less but better paying jobs" (quoting our new NOAA director here) - and also the claim that fewer boats are more effective to manage in regards to hard quotas and reduction in the black market.

It's not about the fish with these people.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by big jay

I understood exactly what you meant -- and the fact is that people that get behind these pieces of legislation, and very vocal about them in the name of conservation, are just being set up for dissappointment.

Large Scale Bass Fishing -- how about dividing that 1 million lbs of Mass Quota among 5 mid-water trawlers? They could easily do that under the guise of "less but better paying jobs" (quoting our new NOAA director here) - and also the claim that fewer boats are more effective to manage in regards to hard quotas and reduction in the black market.

It's not about the fish with these people.

Your completely right.

[Mr. Sandman]

You voted these guys in...YOU wanted "Hope and change" Well, this is what you wanted right? Didn't expect this did you?


YOU have to vote them OUT. Do your duty every November.

[Tagger]

Fishing registration was just to get our names .. Expect a knock on the door ,, fishing tackle collectors ..

[UserRemoved1]

Eddy the same thing crossed my mind...

Originally Posted by Tagger

Fishing registration was just to get our names .. Expect a knock on the door ,, fishing tackle collectors ..

[Moses]

Originally Posted by Tagger

Fishing registration was just to get our names .. Expect a knock on the door ,, fishing tackle collectors ..

Really makes you think, doesn't it...

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Tagger

Fishing registration was just to get our names .. Expect a knock on the door ,, fishing tackle collectors ..

They haven't come to collect anyone's guns yet, and they have had to be licensed for years.

[Backbeach Jake]

Originally Posted by Tagger

Fishing registration was just to get our names .. Expect a knock on the door ,, fishing tackle collectors ..

I'll feel sorry for the poor dope who tries to take my gear. It'll be "Game On" and he'll be the kick-off.

Let me add this: All of the Earth's resources are being gathered up by a relatively small group of investers. Just look around. Oil, Energy, Farmland (read food here folks). Everything. We're being corralled for the financial kill.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

You voted these guys in...YOU wanted "Hope and change" Well, this is what you wanted right? Didn't expect this did you?


YOU have to vote them OUT. Do your duty every November.

I think you're reading too much into this. The objective of the task force was to capture public input for 60 days...

While I agree the influence of corporate fishing is a long-term threat, I don't see anything here that indicates recreational fishing is going to be restricted in a substantial way. There is the anecdote of bear hunting...but while there's a thin parallel...fish and bear aren't exactly the same thing.

-spence

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you're reading too much into this. The objective of the task force was to capture public input for 60 days...

While I agree the influence of corporate fishing is a long-term threat, I don't see anything here that indicates recreational fishing is going to be restricted in a substantial way. There is the anecdote of bear hunting...but while there's a thin parallel...fish and bear aren't exactly the same thing.

-spence

Do you think that WWF, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, Pew Environment Group and the others are a short or long-term threat?

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you're reading too much into this. The objective of the task force was to capture public input for 60 days...

NO! The objective of the task force is to come up with recommendations for "spatial planning" for the inland waters and oceans of the United States. The concern is that their initial draft totally ignored fishing in their proposed plan, hence the assumption that they were ignoring fishermen.

When Apolitical groups like the American Sportfishing Assoc. start sounding the alarms you know there is probably some reason for their concerns.

[stripermaineiac]

Hi all, I talked with a freind in California who is a very reputed custom rod builder and surcaster out there. They have been fighting this battle for a bit but it's been call Marine Protection Zones and so on. It started with the gallapogos Islands and has spread to over 20 different areas. Some larger than new England in size. The antis are our problem not our own issues about Striper sizes and catch limits.These people want all of us to just go away even to the extent of making owning or possessing impliments used for fishing or hunting.I've gone to some of their meetings to the point of joining one of them to get on their mailing list. These groups are very dangerous and don't underestimate them .Many of them are run by the same rich types that don't have to work and chase one cause after another for fun at our exspence so they can control what is done by others.
Yrs ago I was open minded about their actions but when the sierra club went after hikers because their colorful clothing was an affront to nature and should be outlawed-colorfull clothes make it easier to find lost people in the woods-to include groups like the Boy Scouts kinda showed me these people don't live nor think in the real world. Ron

[spence]

I heard, through a friend of a friend, that the Department of Justice has subpoenaed the lists of subscribers to most saltwater fishing magazines.

In addition, a guy I know tells me that the CIA has been at the Narrow River and most RI breech ways affixing transponders to trucks with rod racks.

But.

You didn't hear that from me.

-spence

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by spence

I heard, through a friend of a friend, that the Department of Justice has subpoenaed the lists of subscribers to most saltwater fishing magazines.

In addition, a guy I know tells me that the CIA has been at the Narrow River and most RI breech ways affixing transponders to trucks with rod racks.

But.

You didn't hear that from me.

-spence

Those UAV's don't just fly in the Middle East

[MAKAI]

Gotta fight the Power baby.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by stripermaineiac

Hi all, I talked with a freind in California who is a very reputed custom rod builder and surcaster out there. They have been fighting this battle for a bit but it's been call Marine Protection Zones and so on. It started with the gallapogos Islands and has spread to over 20 different areas. Some larger than new England in size. The antis are our problem not our own issues about Striper sizes and catch limits.These people want all of us to just go away even to the extent of making owning or possessing impliments used for fishing or hunting.I've gone to some of their meetings to the point of joining one of them to get on their mailing list. These groups are very dangerous and don't underestimate them .Many of them are run by the same rich types that don't have to work and chase one cause after another for fun at our exspence so they can control what is done by others.
Yrs ago I was open minded about their actions but when the sierra club went after hikers because their colorful clothing was an affront to nature and should be outlawed-colorfull clothes make it easier to find lost people in the woods-to include groups like the Boy Scouts kinda showed me these people don't live nor think in the real world. Ron

It was the Catalina islands, the galapagos islands are off the coast of Equador!

[MakoMike]

CSF, RFBC submit comments to White House task force

February 12, 2010 (WASHINGTON, DC) - The Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation, along with its partners in the U.S. Recreational Fishing & Boating Coalition, submitted formal comments Friday to the White House Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force, voicing the concerns of recreational boating and angling interests.

The "Interim Framework for Effective Coastal and Marine Spatial Planning" is the second document released by the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force which was created by President Obama last June to develop a draft national policy and implementation strategy for conserving and managing the oceans, the Great Lakes, and the coasts of the United States.

In the first draft policy report, the "Interim Report of the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force", released on September 17, the Task Force failed to include specific issues of concern to the recreational fishing and boating communities, in spite of a summer meeting with the Task Force and a written submission from the coalition.

The groups' comments, submitted to Ms. Nancy Sutley, chair of the Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) and the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force, clearly define the importance of recreational angling and boating to the national economy and our nation's social fabric.

"Some of the potential policy implications of the this Interim Framework have the potential to be a real threat to recreational anglers who not only contribute billions of dollars to the economy and millions of dollars in tax revenues to support fisheries conservation, but who are also the backbone of the American fish and wildlife conservation ethos," said CSF President Jeff Crane.

Among numerous other concerns is the development a top-down federal approach to ocean management that would impact every sector and every ocean activity. This new structure is built on vague or unspecified statutory authority, without input from Congress, and does not appropriately recognize the role of the states, which have the primary jurisdiction for resident fish and wildlife.

Given the scope of economic, conservation, and social contributions of recreational fishing and boating, it is imperative that any national ocean policy encourage, promote and celebrate recreational activities in the marine and freshwater environments. This can only be achieved if the policy and the implementation of marine spatial planning provide for access to marine areas for recreation and the opportunities for angling.

"There are over 1 million jobs in America supported coast to coast by recreational fishing. The Task Force has not included any accountability requirements in their reports for evaluating or mitigating how the new policies they are drafting will impact the fishing industry or related economies," said Phil Morlock, CSF Board Member and Director of Environmental Affairs for Shimano. "Given that the scope of this process appears to include a new set of policies for all the coastal and inland waters of the United States, the omission of economic considerations is inexcusable."

Congressional Sportsmen's Caucus (CSC) member Rep. Adam Putnam and CSC House Co-Chair Rep. Dan Boren sent a letter to Ms. Sutley in November, urging inclusion of the recreational fishing community in the formation of a proposed new ocean governance structure.

"Inclusion of the recreational fishing community in this effort could greatly assist the task force's stated objectives," said Rep. Boren. "They should welcome the participation of recreational anglers and seek their support in ensuring the conservation, maintenance, and restoration of our nation's oceans and lakes."

[stripermaineiac]

Well Spence ask anyone who has a plover problem to deal with. They went so far as to try to make it so that people living close to nest were gonna be kept out of their front yards an had to keep their windows closed. I beleive it was the Audobon Association that suggested that. This stuff sounds stupid but it is real and if we don't take it seious well ask how the people feel that can't access all those closed beaches anymore due to a bird nest.Then watch all the do gooders driving by to watch over the birds because they are better than the fishermen and beach walkers that used to be able to use these beaches. Ron

[mosholu]

My take from reading that article is that various groups are way ahead of the fishing community on this and if we do not get ourselves organized they will clearly have greater influence on future regulations than the fishing community. As fisherman seem from history a difficult group to organize I wonder why the equipment manufacturers like Penn etc. are up to serving as the focal point for the fishing community's views. Maybe our tackle shops should contact their various reps and tell them of the problem and that we need them to serve as a point for voice of the fishing community.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripermaineiac

Well Spence ask anyone who has a plover problem to deal with. They went so far as to try to make it so that people living close to nest were gonna be kept out of their front yards an had to keep their windows closed. I beleive it was the Audobon Association that suggested that. This stuff sounds stupid but it is real and if we don't take it seious well ask how the people feel that can't access all those closed beaches anymore due to a bird nest.Then watch all the do gooders driving by to watch over the birds because they are better than the fishermen and beach walkers that used to be able to use these beaches. Ron

Different issues at play here...

While I think the Plover thing has gotten a bit silly, the issue there is about protecting a bird from collateral human interference rather than a fish species from capture and consumption.

This issue about the Feds trying to restrict recreational fisherman doesn't seem to have any real basis, it's tin foil hat stuff at this point.

Yes, there are marine protected areas, but I don't think anybody (of real influence) is going to argue that fishing should be banned because a fish like the striped bass is threatened. The point of the Administration's effort is to look at the issue of natural resource management from a systemic perspective, taking into account positive factors like economic impact along with the health of the species.

Until I see something of substance, this is all fear mongering based on a blog post on ESPN. Perhaps we should blame Druge.

-spence

[stripermaineiac]

Problem is that every time we wait and see we get hit with another sucker shot and it's too late to fix it or do much about it. The people running most of these things don't need to work so they have all the time in the world to do what they plan. we come home from work and find gates locked and beaches closed cause we just waited and didn't see till it was too late. Ron

[RIROCKHOUND]

Does anyone really believe with the billions of dollars spent on this sport, including vacations, gear, charters etc... they would ban it in all federal state and coastal waters...

lay off the pipe. it's making everyone paranoid

[JackK]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Does anyone really believe with the billions of dollars spent on this sport, including vacations, gear, charters etc... they would ban it in all federal state and coastal waters...

lay off the pipe. it's making everyone paranoid

Agreed... The author even says that the "task force has been in lockstep with that position paper [Transition Green]", but that paper stresses the importance of recreational fishing. He then goes on to imply that because they don't mention the benefits of recreational angling in another paper, it's being ignored and "lumped together [with commercial fishing] as harmful to the resource".

Just because it's not mentioned doesn't mean it's going to be outlawed. No way it's going to be banned. This is from an ESPN column, anyway!

Do these groups want heavy limitations on commercial guys, though? Definitely. And that's why they need to be watched. They really have no clue what they're talking about, and if they really have that much influence on management then it's (imho) kinda ridiculous.

[sokinwet]

The concept of Spatial Planning or "ocean zoning" on it's face "could" be a good thing if all stakeholders actually had some say and voting control of the process. Think of the things recently proposed like, Cape Wind, gas terminal on Outer Brewster, etc. These are ideas driven by BIG $$ that don't really care about other users...only their bottom line. Proper spatial planning could site these type of necessary activities in the appropriate areas. IMO the problem with this is that groups with the $$ and undue political influence will always gain control of the process and fragmented groups like sportsmen will get the shaft. The timeframe for development of this plan is very troubling as is the lack of recognition of the social and financial benefits of fishing. Given what's been happening lately, any fisherman that isn't writing their rep's to give rational input is giving up without a fight and might as well take up golf. Screaming that the POTUS is a communist, muslim isn't going to get anyone a seat at the discussion table....just get us thrown out of the meeting.