Pogies Being Decimated

[jmac]

Who supplies the NY lobster fleet with bait ?The same netters or do they go elsewhere

Lobster fishermen have traditionally used herring; herring quotas took a deep hit this year (45%??)...anyways, that's why the demand for menhaden as bait has risen....its relatively cheap, plentiful (the Southern reduction fleet is what puts the pressure on menhaden)...mackeral is also used as bait...the NY lobster fleet is small (300 boats, maybe). Most of the menhaden used in NY, NJ, DL is caught off the NJ ocean front during the summer (it is amazing the amount of menhaden off the NJ shoreline-up to 10 miles offshore)...usually Ark Bait moves their operations to NJ when the Bay is fished out.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by Clammer

its not funny but its true .................................................. ..........................most of the people on the internet sites / bitch , & moan & groan about the pogie boats / pogie boats / pogie boats .
BUT in the off season . there are meetings held by DEM ..
they are all open meetings / some are to hash [stuff] around / some are the Marine fisheries counsel & others I don,t know whose actually running them ;;but they are ALL open meetings .
that,s the places you all should be doing the bitchin ;
There were changes made to the regulations to the commercial pogie fisheries . most relate to the size gear , indenifing & certifing the nets by the state . // also raising the level pof pogies in the bay until they reach 2 million pounds / otherwise this s $%^&* would have started earlier / also its now law that the DEM <> is suppose to watch them & the amout of pogies in the bay / & fishing would cease when the level went down to 1.5 million ## We have to stay on the states ass ...... ya see stuff [ make the call over & over .....you can bet you life / if they started getting 100,s of calls a day .... not just DEM ... but your rep/ counselmen / senator/ [governor] So we did make some progress .But it going to take numbers that will make the difference ........ that ,s what shakes up the political side of things ;;
You know who spends the most money & makes the most money ,, when the pogies are in ;;
That,s right >>>>>>>>>> the REC angler & the small businesses that make or break off sales related to fishing with pogies ....

Guess WTF ........ @ 99% of the meetings ....... there are no straight [rec] only ; anglers @ any of the meetings . & if there is . they don,t say . #^&#^&#^&#^& S$%^&..

So to me . This same talk . every fu%^&*( year is getting real tired .

Its like .. Do you vote ??? F $%^&*( no .. it doesn,t matter >>>>>>>> then my reply is . then STFU you have no right to bitch ;

If 20% put your moaning & bitching into getting off your asses in the off season & bitchin @ the meetings . These boats wouldn,t be here today

have a good day

Thanks Mike. I was just about to say the same thing. Where were all you guys that are bitching and moaning????
There were 3 of us at the meeting: MYSELF, MIKE (CLAMMER) and VIC (THROWING TIMBER).
The meeting was at night. It was listed here on this board. Yet 3 of use showed up. YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY GUYS FROM ARC BAIT WERE THERE????

Bunch of f***ing hypocrits on here. You are all bitching now because the pogy boats are taking all the pogies Waaaa waaa! Like Mike says if some of you would get off your asses and help maybe we could be heard but not when there are 30 or 40 of the pogy boat guys and 3 of us.

[monkfish]

Pogies are not cheap considering in the eighties they were 12.00 per barrel. What are they now? Lobsters were paying 3.00 a lb. roughly and now thay aren't much more. As long as yo-yoing is legal I'll never side with the bass guys and I made my living catching bass for 20 years!

[Adam_777]

Cut me a little slack.I'm trying to rattle some chains.Maybe form a group.I also responded on the other site.Same guy.

Originally Posted by Adam_777

So what your saying is we need to round up all of the fisherman in the off season and hit DEM meetings.We really should get serious here and start another thread.Ask for all members of this site to give up a few hours of the off season to try and make a difference.We'll need a group leader to keep us all informed of when and where the meetings are.We will also need some facts about neighboring states laws and the effect on the bay and the local economy.Wouldn't want to go in with no information.I for one would sign up to participate in this.I would like to think that from this site alone we could drum up a good size crowd and add a few more members.If we win and get the boats the eff out of the bay it would be a great accomplishment and we would all benefit from it.So who wants to run the show ? Who wants to get information and put it up here so we can print it and take it with us for ammo ?We could also start a petition. I am more than willing to give this a shot.A little information goes a long way.Who else would like to get involved ?

BTW Clammer thanks for the information.Even if it's in clam I understand.I still owe you a few bucks for the S-B sticker.Got anymore ?

[jmac]

There were 3 of us at the meeting: MYSELF, MIKE (CLAMMER) and VIC (THROWING TIMBER).

At the Menhaden Advisory Panel mtg in Jan., there were approx.20-25 guys (I was there)...at the Public Hearing, I think I was the only one there....I pushed for the 2 million pound floor (originally RIDEM wanted 1 million) and got the Marine Fisheries Council to pass that....there were guys there for the Fluke Sector Program, Gillnetters and a few guys from RICRRA...nobody else that I knew (Clammer may have been there)

[jmac]

Like Mike says if some of you would get off your asses and help maybe we could be heard but not when there are 30 or 40 of the pogy boat guys and 3 of us.

there was only 4 guys from Ark Bait....nobody from Gloucester's Group Lakeman (Taylor Pt/Ugly Duck)....

[Adam_777]

Originally Posted by jmac

At the Menhaden Advisory Panel mtg in Jan., there were approx.20-25 guys (I was there)...at the Public Hearing, I think I was the only one there....I pushed for the 2 million pound floor (originally RIDEM wanted 1 million) and got the Marine Fisheries Council to pass that....there were guys there for the Fluke Sector Program, Gillnetters and a few guys from RICRRA...nobody else that I knew (Clammer may have been there)

Thanks for showing man.I wish I knew then what I know now.Do you have any idea on how they came to 1million pound floor.

[jmac]

Thanks for showing man.I wish I knew then what I know now.Do you have any idea on how they came to 1million pound floor.

RIDEM "modeling"...or should I say "science"......

[trapperpierre]

......catch 'em up---------beyond the 50%(like last year with a virtual 100% removal, a repeat in the making for 2010)-------then move north & south along the coast.....give the pogies needed bay/river sanctuaries---instant replay in the making............the is on the pogies...unfortunately...........gonna be a 2 vessel race until this Friday,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[trapperpierre]

.............recreational & commercial utilization of the Bay menhaden resource is honorable..............however, the pogies need a break in the form of sanctuaries........real time areas such as the Prov River etc. .......................thats all.....................common sense

[piemma]

I fish south of the PR this morning but I got a call that said there was 1 small school and 30 boats on them. Insanity I say!!!

[JohnnyD]

Pogies will be the next herring. Let the moratorium begin.

[MakoMike]

The RIMFAC used to meet the first Monday of every month. You can look up the agenda for the coming meeting on the DEM website abd also see the minutes of the previous meeting.