Jussie Smullett hoax

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

This man has unified the country as well as this board. Anyone with any common sense admits he is stupid.
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I'm sure spence could defend him....he's got an impressive resume

[PaulS]

I think he did it so conserv. heads would explode.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I think he did it so conserv. heads would explode.

In other words, the answer to my question doesn't serve your agenda, so you won't answer.

I guess some of that (seeking success via victim status) happens on both sides. But it's like a currency on the left these days, it's constant. It never stops among the democrat leaders, among the media, and Hollywood.

The guy needs help, and looks like a prime suspect for suicide to me.

I do my taxes soon, and will then book some fishing trips for spring/summer. Can't get here fast enough.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

seeking success via victim status

This is the core strategy of the Trump campaign.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

This is the core strategy of the Trump campaign.

The core strategy of his re-election campaign, will be the economy. Character, I suppose, will not be a key theme.

He is a victim. It takes a lot of work to make a guy that gross, appear sympathetic, but the left has done it. Because they can't be fair. And by "fair", I don't mean to follow Sean Hannity's lead and lick his boots all day. "Fair" means criticize him when he deserves it, compliment him when he deserves it. The left can't come close to doing that.

Look at the democrat Congressional reaction to good news presented during the SOTU. They were absolutely miserable that good things took place during Trumps presidency. I'm not saying that Republicans didn't want Obama to fail, of course they did. But they weren't this overt, it wasn't all they did.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The core strategy of his re-election campaign, will be the economy. Character, I suppose, will not be a key theme.

name a politician for whom character is a key theme

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Never heard of this poor guy before this hoax (assuming that's what it was), feel bad for the guy, probably a desperate cry for attention and sympathy.

ONCE AGAIN, the media and the far left (sorry for the redundancy there) saw an opportunity to smear the right, and jumped the gun before anything like due process took place.

HOW MANY TIMES do these morons have to end up with egg on their faces, before they just wait for investigations to take place? Duke lacrosse, hands up don't shoot, the Rolling Stone U-VA rape case, the Covington kids, now this.

This is a great opportunity for us to collectively take a deep breath, and start over. But it won't happen, Trump Derangement Syndrome is way too powerful.

Hope this guy doesn't commit suicide. Pathetic.

Now they have dropped the charges.
Sometimes things are not as they seem and morons rush to judgement.
Perhaps you should have taken a deep breath.
I know it's hard being a victim.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Now they have dropped the charges.
Sometimes things are not as they seem and morons rush to judgement.
Perhaps you should have taken a deep breath.
I know it's hard being a victim.

That’s great, did you hear OJ was innocent too?
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Sometimes things are not as they seem and morons rush to judgement.

Maybe they should have gotten Meuller to investigate

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Now they have dropped the charges.
Sometimes things are not as they seem and morons rush to judgement.
Perhaps you should have taken a deep breath.
I know it's hard being a victim.

not sure if you can read, but my post which you quoted, specifically says i feel bad for the guy, and specifically says i don’t know what happened.

swing and a miss...
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

not sure if you can read, but my post which you quoted, specifically says i feel bad for the guy, and specifically says i don’t know what happened.

swing and a miss...
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As you claimed in your post, which I read, perhaps you did not, so for your edification I will quote it here.
"HOW MANY TIMES do these morons have to end up with egg on their faces, before they just wait for investigations to take place? Duke lacrosse, hands up don't shoot, the Rolling Stone U-VA rape case, the Covington kids, now this."

Of course he's been exonerated now, that's defined as not going forward with a prosecution in your book, isn't it?

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/03/juss...-no-collusion/

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

As you claimed in your post, which I read, perhaps you did not, so for your edification I will quote it here.
"HOW MANY TIMES do these morons have to end up with egg on their faces, before they just wait for investigations to take place? Duke lacrosse, hands up don't shoot, the Rolling Stone U-VA rape case, the Covington kids, now this."

Of course he's been exonerated now, that's defined as not going forward with a prosecution in your book, isn't it?

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/03/juss...-no-collusion/

"Of course he's been exonerated now"

The hell he has. The prosecutors specifically said, "this is not an exoneration".

Paul, we know he said it was white guys wearing MAGA hats who attacked him, we know in reality it was black friends of his, we know he paid them, we know they bought the rope. We know he refused to turn over his phone, and when he did, it had been cleansed. Is any of that in dispute?

Let's let the FBI look into whether or not he emailed the letter to himself with white powder. I will happily live with whatever they conclude.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

As you claimed in your post, which I read, perhaps you did not, so for your edification I will quote it here.
"HOW MANY TIMES do these morons have to end up with egg on their faces, before they just wait for investigations to take place? Duke lacrosse, hands up don't shoot, the Rolling Stone U-VA rape case, the Covington kids, now this."

Of course he's been exonerated now, that's defined as not going forward with a prosecution in your book, isn't it?

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/03/juss...-no-collusion/

the people with egg on their faces, are the monsters in the media who yet again, rushed to judgment and spun the story in a way to bash Trump supporters, and also to fan the flames of racial unrest. it’s disgusting.

the prosecutors specifically said its not an exoneration, and that they believe he lied to the police. there’s absolutely no way of knowing what happened, but if he was exonerated, he’d get his bail back, wouldn’t he?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

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the prosecutors specifically said its not an exoneration, and that they believe he lied to the police. there’s absolutely no way of knowing what happened, but if he was exonerated, he’d get his bail back, wouldn’t he?
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I thought it worked like this:

No Collusion, No Obstruction, Complete and Total EXONERATION. KEEP AMERICA GREAT!

“while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Of course he's been exonerated now

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you can't be this dumb

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by scottw

you can't be this dumb

Constantly providing proof
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[wdmso]

Will Jim now support him if he files a law suite against those who spoke poorly about him? like Nick Sandmann, the Covington Catholic High School student..
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Will Jim now support him if he files a law suite against those who spoke poorly about him? like Nick Sandmann, the Covington Catholic High School student..
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there’s hours of video evidence showing that Sandman did nothing wrong, and that the media was lying to serve the liberal narrative.

this actor paid two friends to attack him, and claimed it was white trump supporters. is any of that in dispute?
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[PaulS]

Seems stupid to let him off.

[Jim in CT]

we know that state’s attorney Fixx had previously been contacted by a Smoklett relative who worked on Michelle Obama’s staff. surely that played no role.

Time for the feds to investigate whether or not he mailed that letter to himself that had white powder on it. if it did, try him, convict him, then trump should
pardon him, and then everyone at MSNBC and CNN will jump off a cliff.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

we know that state’s attorney Fixx had previously been contacted by a Smoklett relative who worked on Michelle Obama’s staff. surely that played no role.

Time for the feds to investigate whether or not he mailed that letter to himself that had white powder on it. if it did, try him, convict him, then trump should
pardon him, and then everyone at MSNBC and CNN will jump off a cliff.
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I found it interesting that all charges were dropped but yet he voluntarily forfieted his bail. That is a tad strange.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I found it interesting that all charges were dropped but yet he voluntarily forfieted his bail. That is a tad strange.

The prosecutors said it's not an exoneration, almost sounds like they fined him $10,000 and called it a day. Then they sealed the file, so we may never know what the heck happened.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Doesn't look like its going to be all sunshine and unicorns.

10:45 AM PT -- Mayor Rahm Emanuel is very strongly hinting at corruption in the State's Attorney's Office, calling the decision to drop the charges against Smollett a "whitewash of justice."

The Mayor added, "From top to bottom, this is not on the level." He called for accountability from the prosecutors.

Emanuel was joined by Chicago PD Superintendent Eddie Johnson who said he didn't feel justice was served by letting Smollett off the hook.

What's more, Johnson said if Jussie was, in fact, innocent ... he should've taken his day in court, and not broker a backdoor deal in secrecy. Bigger picture -- Johnson feels the City of Chicago is still owed an apology, as he believes Jussie carried out a hoax.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Doesn't look like its going to be all sunshine and unicorns.

10:45 AM PT -- Mayor Rahm Emanuel is very strongly hinting at corruption in the State's Attorney's Office, calling the decision to drop the charges against Smollett a "whitewash of justice."

The Mayor added, "From top to bottom, this is not on the level." He called for accountability from the prosecutors.

Emanuel was joined by Chicago PD Superintendent Eddie Johnson who said he didn't feel justice was served by letting Smollett off the hook.

What's more, Johnson said if Jussie was, in fact, innocent ... he should've taken his day in court, and not broker a backdoor deal in secrecy. Bigger picture -- Johnson feels the City of Chicago is still owed an apology, as he believes Jussie carried out a hoax.

Jussie has a family member who worked for Michelle Obama. This family member reaches out to the lead prosecutor, who then recused herself from the case.

now the file is sealed. very strange.

and he’s not out of the woods with the feds because he likely mailed himself a letter with white powder, and given the vindictive nature of Trump, if i was this jerk actor, i’d be expecting a visit from the FBI.
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[Jim in CT]

Prosecutors are saying he forfeited his bond, and tjeybagreed to drop the charges in response
to community service he has done. That's not an exoneration, but not what you'd expect if he was convicted either.

Very strange.

Bring on the feds.

[Sea Dangles]

Ha, the state AG recuses herself and the assistant AG drops the charges and proclaims that Smollet is guilty.
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[Sea Dangles]

PeteF. Is dizzy from chasing his tail.
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[Jim in CT]

Paul S, do you think he staged this?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Benghazi was investigated by a Republican Congress for a cost of 7 million and yielded a bunch of footstomping,

Like I said, congressional investigations are politically driven. You wanted to know what the difference was in the investigations. You are demonstrating that. And, since you bring it up, what was yielded was that HRC egregiously mishandled (some would say was grossly negligent [sound familiar] in) the security of the Benghazi post.

it did later downstream result in Comey's announcement during the campaign of continuing investigation into her emails. Some here would claim this was an FBI plot to somehow aid her campaign.
Perhaps you feel that the rule of law only applies in some cases and white lies don't count, since they didn't hurt anyone. Flynn and Papadopulos both plead guilty, didn't they?

The rule of law applied in the Flynn and Papadopoulos cases. Perhaps more harshly than necessary. Those FBI who interviewed Flynn did not think he was lying nor that inaccuracies in his answers were intentional. But, that apparently did not matter. His unintentional or inaccurate statements were used as "lies" in order to coerce him into cooperation. He has yet to be sentenced. But he pretty much was bankrupted (another tactic that the FBI uses to squeeze confessions and cooperation) by legal fees. And no conspiracy, in the end, was found. Great job FBI!

Papadopoulos did intentionally tell a little stinker intending, in his mind, to protect the President. But it was basically not about much, and some believe he was set up. But the FBI must not have thought that his lie was really important. He only got 14 days. Which is probably 14 days more than he deserved for something that was inconsequential.

And neither Flynn's nor Papadopoulos's "crimes" occurred before the investigation, but were a result of FBI tactics during it. What is called a process crime, not a crime that is germane to the reason for the investigation.

On the other hand, Hillary's more dangerous handling of emails was not as harshly and strictly (or not at all) subject to the rule of law.

Perhaps the danger of leaking emails pales in comparison to Russian interference in our elections and therefor needed a different level of investigation in comparison to Benghazi.
Mueller is likely the most qualified and competent investigator in this country.
I want to see his report, not the parsed comments of a political appointee.

"Perhaps" and "likely" you, in your brilliant and authoritative dissection, will find fault with his report. I am sure that you will see exactly what you want to see. So far, Mueller hasn't disputed what Barr has said.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

"Perhaps" and "likely" you, in your brilliant and authoritative dissection, will find fault with his report. I am sure that you will see exactly what you want to see. So far, Mueller hasn't disputed what Barr has said.

Flynn lied to them and the agents asked him if he was sure of his statement.
They gave him the opportunity to correct it. Why he lied is a open question.

Just what have you heard Mueller say, about anything?