Someone was listening

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Calling BS, I never talk politics outside of this forum, so no my words aren’t being heard by more than a small handful. BUT millions heard Trumps words and they do matter and while he finally came out (wonder what pressure was brought to bear to make that happen, family or party), they were a bit late IMHO. You defend the clown at every turn no surprise, no less than Jim on the market and economy (long term vision be damned), or Dangles best president ever.

God forbid I tried to change the discussion from partisan BS into something constructive, but where might that go. Do we want to talk about gun legislation or why or how someone with a screw loose can buy an assault weapon and put a 100 round magazine on it. Can you imagine the death toll had officers not been right there?

If nothing changes it will only increase, but if the NRA and lobbying keeps buying our policies we are doomed to repeat these over and over.
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I'm willing to talk meaningful changes, let's talk about someone with a screw loose being able to buy a semi-automatic rifle. Versus, why should someone without a loose screw be told they can't?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I'm willing to talk meaningful changes, let's talk about someone with a screw loose being able to buy a semi-automatic rifle. Versus, why should someone without a loose screw be told they can't?

that's the issue with Gun control .. you all have ready drawn a conclusion why hasn't worked .. why should someone without a loose screw be told they can't?

the Gun lobby has convinced gun owners its about taking their guns
and you just validated that argument ..

its always been about stopping the guy with the screwloose

My stance is unacceptable to gun people have has many guns as you want .. my only requirements are there registered and the types of guns should be on a tier based license.. we do it with driving

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What if the Dayton Shooter turned out to be a Socialist, and a Bernie and Warren Fan? Would Trump's "invasion" or "infestation" words be responsible? Would any Trump words be responsible? Would Trump, in any way, be responsible? Would Bernie Sanders, or Elizabeth Warren be responsible?

I think the subject of this thread was about someone listening to some words, not about guns.

Who's responsible, what words are responsible for all the violence that occurs daily in this country? Trump?

The words spoken by you and PeteF over and over on this political forum are far more incendiary than words like "invasion" or "infestation." And don't point out that you are not the President. People hear these words spoken across the country by people like you and by various media. And they are heard, EVERY DAY, by millions of people--many of those people who have not heard Trump's speeches or read about them, but who daily hear about what a Nazi, traitor, White Nationalist, racist, homophobe, misogynist, xenophobe, Fascist, hater, inspirer of killers, Trump is. Should you and Pete F and the media and the millions like you, be restricted from saying the things you say because, for certain, they are heard by a whole lot of people some of whom are crazies?

Trump started the day he came down the escalator and demonized Mexicans.
He consistently labels groups as evil in his political speech and spreads lies.
The immigration lottery system is done by us not foreign governments choosing whom to send. Watch his rallies and think.
All his life he has been a con man, that’s as close to conservative as he’ll ever get.
Just look at his cabinet with all the “best” people, the best people want nothing to do with him.
Bannon, Miller, Kushner, Kudlow, Devos, Mullaney, Hicks, Craft, Carson, Ross comprise his ship of fools with Ivanka as mascot.
We are heading into a storm of trump’s own making now with the world economy and no capable leader is to be seen.
Putin is grinning.
Don’t worry though, Trump has no deals in Russia.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump started the day he came down the escalator and demonized Mexicans.

Another one of your verbal tricks. You use the inflammatory words "demonized" (you know, words like "invasion" that just shouldn't be used because it might trigger a crazy) then you falsely expand SOME Mexicans into Mexicans which of course, is the lying verbal trick of painting Trump as "demonizing" all Mexicans which, of course can slide into the phony notion that Trump is a racist (even though Mexican is not a race), and voila Trump is verbally transformed into the bad man. Words matter.

He consistently labels groups as evil in his political speech and spreads lies.

Some groups are evil. But if you're trying to slide the word "groups" to mean entire races, then you're lying. He has not labeled any race as evil.

The immigration lottery system is done by us not foreign governments choosing whom to send. Watch his rallies and think.

Don't know what you're point is.

All his life he has been a con man, that’s as close to conservative as he’ll ever get.

Another one of your exaggerated lies. "All his life" is beyond your ability to know. "Con man" does not accurately apply to everything he has done.

Just look at his cabinet with all the “best” people, the best people want nothing to do with him.
Bannon, Miller, Kushner, Kudlow, Devos, Mullaney, Hicks, Craft, Carson, Ross comprise his ship of fools with Ivanka as mascot.

Typical of your hateful rhetoric.

We are heading into a storm of trump’s own making now with the world economy and no capable leader is to be seen.
Putin is grinning.
Don’t worry though, Trump has no deals in Russia.

Still resort to innuendo and opinion when you don't have solid facts.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Still resort to innuendo and opinion when you don't have solid facts.

You do little other than resort to innuendo and opinion.
Here's Trumps statement from his announcement
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Here is a riff of his on the immigration lottery, it is all a big lie. The only true thing he says is that it exists.
How about the lottery system? How about lotteries? This was Chuck Schumer. You put the name in a basket. The country puts the name in the basket, and you pick people out of the lottery. Well, let's see this one's a murderer. This one robbed four banks. This one I'd better not say. This one, another murderer. Ladies and gentlemen, another murderer.
Think of this, do you think they are going to put their great citizens, they have great citizens, they have great people like we have great people. Do you think those people are going into a lottery? No. And then we get these people coming in, and we hold it against the country. The country isn’t based on that, the country, you just take a look, look at the people they put into these lotteries.

Here's how the lottery which is run by OUR government works:

What is the Green Card Lottery?
The Green Card Lottery, officially, the Diversity Immigrant Visa program is enacted in section 203(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act and codified in title 8 section 1153 of the United States Code. President H. W. Bush signed it into law back in 1990. It came after a series of temporary diversity programs, as an attempt to broaden the range of admitted immigrants. At the time, it especially helped the Irish fleeing their country due to unrest.

Although Diversity Immigrant Visa program is the official name, it is often referred to as the Diversity Visa Lottery or the Green Card Lottery, or some mixture of these terms. Immigrant visas awarded are often called diversity visas.

To summarize the process, applicants apply; applicants are selected at random using a computer; selected applicants are then screened through an interview process; those that pass the screening process are awarded immigrant visas; upon entry into the U.S., they are awarded their green card.

So, it is called both a visa lottery as well as Green Card lottery because winners are first given a visa which is then upgraded to a Green Card upon entry into the U.S.

Officially, 55,000 visas are awarded, however, each year 5,000 goes to the NACARA program, dropping the available number down to 50,000. The Green Card Lottery is one of several peripheral immigration programs that exist outside the more common route of family or employer sponsorship.

The largest generator of disinformation in this political arena is Donald Trump.
He finds truth inconvenient.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You do little other than resort to innuendo and opinion.
Here's Trumps statement from his announcement
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

How is that "demonizing" all Mexicans?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Calling BS, I never talk politics outside of this forum, so no my words aren’t being heard by more than a small handful.

It's not just you. You are not naïve. You must know that the words you and PeteF speak on this forum are spoken by millions of others. INCLUDING THE MEDIA which blasts the electronic and print networks with the same words and labels and characterizations that you and PeteF spout here. Where do you get your notions? Most of your anti-Trump posts sound like regurgitations picked up from media sources. Your message is the mantra spoken by millions who didn't create it but speak it puppet like to anyone who will listen.

BUT millions heard Trumps words and they do matter and while he finally came out (wonder what pressure was brought to bear to make that happen, family or party), they were a bit late IMHO.

Too late for what? And he has made similar condemnations several times before. Was it always too late in your IMHO? Did those words not matter then? It has been clear that he is not Alt right, not a Nazi, not a misogynist, not a collaborator, not a White Nationalist, not a homophobe, misogynist, xenophobe, Fascist. And that has been clear for a long time to anyone with an objective view. It has been clear that, because of the strength of the economy, and that the disasters that were predicted because he was President have not happened, and that immigration was not a winning policy for the left, and that nothing policy wise seemed to destroy Trump, that the Dems had to concoct an incessant message of Trump being the anti-American evil traitor who hated everybody except radical right white men.

You defend the clown at every turn no surprise, no less than Jim on the market and economy (long term vision be damned), or Dangles best president ever.

No, I just point out the unreal, unjust accusations and characterization made about Trump. And you participate in those at every turn no surprise.

He is the President, like it or not. And if he had the full support of the people he would have more clout against China and NK, for instance. Instead, those enemies are encouraged by the words from the left and the rest of the anti-Trump puppets to resist giving up anything for the betterment of world economic and political security. We would all be better off on the big issues if we all supported him instead of trying to destroy him.

So, yeah, words matter. And yours are not helpful. They hurt the country. China has been eating our lunch for decades. And no President, or party, has done anything about that. They have enabled it, and made it worse. China is the big threat to Western Democracy and our American way of life, not Russia. Without China, Russia would be a political pimple.

And no President or party has fulfilled the promise to stop illegal immigration. They all made pretend moves that temporarily stanched public opinion, then moved on. It would help to support this President in his far more concerted attention and effort to resolve the problem if we all backed him instead of trying to stop everything he does and lying about him being a racist and against immigration, blah, blah.

And it would help if we all would admit that his tax and regulatory policies were good for the economy instead of constantly claiming that they had nothing to do with it and only benefited the rich and threatening to change everything back to the stagnant new normal.

Yeah, words matter.

God forbid I tried to change the discussion from partisan BS into something constructive, but where might that go. Do we want to talk about gun legislation or why or how someone with a screw loose can buy an assault weapon and put a 100 round magazine on it. Can you imagine the death toll had officers not been right there?

If nothing changes it will only increase, but if the NRA and lobbying keeps buying our policies we are doomed to repeat these over and over.
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Well, wouldn't that be the proper discussion in another thread? You didn't start this thread about gun control. Your title suggested it was about someone listening to and being motivated by Trump's words.

But if you want to change the subject, JohnR said he is willing to go at it with you. I would be interested in hearing that discussion.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Well, wouldn't that be the proper discussion in another thread? You didn't start this thread about gun control. Your title suggested it was about someone listening to and being motivated by Trump's words.

But if you want to change the subject, JohnR said he is willing to go at it with you. I would be interested in hearing that discussion.

My opinions on Trump come from listening to him, watching the steps he has taken and the executive action an inactions taken, I’m not brainwashed by the media reporting. You however may be, because while you state he has clearly proven not to be deserving of the long list of labels you have listed, he fits the description by action on most.

You defend him vehemently and will always win (in your mind) the argument. You don’t believe his campaign seeker help from the Russians, you don’t believe he obstructed the investigation, you don’t believe he has this weird love of some of our most dangerous enemies, or that he has caused in part the dramatic increase of border crossings by words and policies. You are our boards resident AG, your new nickname should be D-Barr.

Respond if you like, I rarely get a third thru your long winded posts, because it’s like seeing the same movie for the tenth time, it just old.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Respond if you like, I rarely get a third thru your long winded posts, because it’s like seeing the same movie for the tenth time, it just old.
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his posts are actually interesting and informative if you don't have your fingers in your ears muttering the same words over and over trying to convince yourself that what you believe is true

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

that's the issue with Gun control .. you all have ready drawn a conclusion why hasn't worked .. why should someone without a loose screw be told they can't?

the Gun lobby has convinced gun owners its about taking their guns
and you just validated that argument ..

its always been about stopping the guy with the screwloose

My stance is unacceptable to gun people have has many guns as you want .. my only requirements are there registered and the types of guns should be on a tier based license.. we do it with driving

Overall Gun related deaths are down near 40% since the mid 90s. The outliers of this are mass shootings and increased inner city violence. Mental Health and Gangs, yet we mostly gloss over this and go for the vast majority of law abiding Citizens. How The Bleep does this make sense Wayne?

The issue is the people with the screw loose yet you and the left continue to say take all the guns. Because the left says we're gonna take the guns.

We have a tier based system, actual automatic rifles and machine guns and such require a heavy price / tax / cause.

Kamala Harris is willing to send Cops to confiscate guns.
Eric Slawell is willing to nuke ya if you don't.
Vox wants complete confiscation.
All of the Dems want some vastly increased level of registration or confiscation type legislation.

I don't effing care. This is my Constitutional Right to have something that can adequately protect my home and family if I need to.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If many of the folks who watch Fox News turned it off and played video games instead, we would likely see a reduction in the rise of white nationalism.
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You really have snapped?

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

My opinions on Trump come from listening to him, watching the steps he has taken and the executive action an inactions taken, I’m not brainwashed by the media reporting. You however may be, because while you state he has clearly proven not to be deserving of the long list of labels you have listed, he fits the description by action on most.

You defend him vehemently and will always win (in your mind) the argument. You don’t believe his campaign seeker help from the Russians, you don’t believe he obstructed the investigation, you don’t believe he has this weird love of some of our most dangerous enemies, or that he has caused in part the dramatic increase of border crossings by words and policies. You are our boards resident AG, your new nickname should be D-Barr.

Respond if you like, I rarely get a third thru your long winded posts, because it’s like seeing the same movie for the tenth time, it just old.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Overall Gun related deaths are down near 40% since the mid 90s. The outliers of this are mass shootings and increased inner city violence. Mental Health and Gangs, yet we mostly gloss over this and go for the vast majority of law abiding Citizens. How The Bleep does this make sense Wayne?

The issue is the people with the screw loose yet you and the left continue to say take all the guns. Because the left says we're gonna take the guns.

We have a tier based system, actual automatic rifles and machine guns and such require a heavy price / tax / cause.

Kamala Harris is willing to send Cops to confiscate guns.
Eric Slawell is willing to nuke ya if you don't.
Vox wants complete confiscation.
All of the Dems want some vastly increased level of registration or confiscation type legislation.

I don't effing care. This is my Constitutional Right to have something that can adequately protect my home and family if I need to.

That's fine, but blocking studies and data collection by the CDC in the name of gun rights is absurd. We will see if the current revision to the #^&#^&#^&#^&ey amendment actually changes anything.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete F.
If many of the folks who watch Fox News turned it off and played video games instead, we would likely see a reduction in the rise of white nationalism.


You really have snapped?

I thought that was pretty funny

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

My opinions on Trump come from listening to him, watching the steps he has taken and the executive action an inactions taken, I’m not brainwashed by the media reporting. You however may be, because while you state he has clearly proven not to be deserving of the long list of labels you have listed, he fits the description by action on most.

Yeah, you can describe his actions to make them look the way you want. That's what has been done. And whether you invented your own opinions or not, they fit the descriptions made by the media that has not brainwashed you.

You defend him vehemently and will always win (in your mind) the argument. You don’t believe his campaign seeker help from the Russians, you don’t believe he obstructed the investigation, you don’t believe he has this weird love of some of our most dangerous enemies, or that he has caused in part the dramatic increase of border crossings by words and policies. You are our boards resident AG, your new nickname should be D-Barr.

Thanks, but I don't want the job. And I don't just willy nilly believe what you said. Nor do I actually know, but there is just no solid evidence of those things. Mostly circumstantial stuff that can be "described" as those things.

Respond if you like, I rarely get a third thru your long winded posts, because it’s like seeing the same movie for the tenth time, it just old.

Yeah, I'm pretty consistent. Your old stuff is too.

[Pete F.]

If many of the folks who watch Fox News turned it off and played video games instead, we would likely see a reduction in the rise of white nationalism.
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[wdmso]

Love this defense of Trump
No one blamed' Obama for 'anti-police rhetoric' when cops were shot during his term they said that after the synagogue shooting and saying it now..

I think there's a problem with police abuse in this country.'
Obama"

Wow thats a call to violence if i ever heard one
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[Sea Dangles]

Liz Warren will fix it.
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[Pete F.]

Here is an interesting look at some research about terrorists of all flavors and the common threads in the cases. Of course it is not a definitive answer to all the problems of the world, but it is some relevant information. Don't let your TDS get in the way, it's only the first sentence. That stands for Trump Devotion Syndrome doesn't it?

“How do we stop these people?” the president says, referring to immigrants and refugees crossing the southern U.S. border. “Shoot them,” a voice calls from the crowd. And the president chuckles.

Elsewhere, a man watches as a website he built becomes a bastion of fringe movements with violent rhetoric — a cheering section for mass shootings, where murderers are lionized as heroes.

And in Texas, a lone-wolf shooter posts an anti-immigrant screed online before opening fire at a Walmart.

Did the first two things directly lead to the third? It’s impossible to say. But social scientists say there is evidence to suggest that they’re all linked. As research into terrorism and rare types of violent crimes has become more data-driven, it’s begun to show that the people we call “lone wolves” aren’t. Like the El Paso shooter, they may be isolated in their schools or physical communities, and they don’t have networks of co-conspirators helping to plan attacks. But behind these apparent loners is a sense of community and of participating in a movement. They’ve adopted new norms. They’ve had those norms reinforced. And then they act.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...s-a-lone-wolf/

[wdmso]

Over on state news fox. Found this telling about their non biased stance
Kacey Musgraves gave a speech at Lollapalooza after the country was hit by two tragic mass shootings, and urged the crowd to yell “somebody #^&#^&#^&#^&ing do something!” in regards to the current state of America that allows for massacres like this to happen.

The thousands of people at Lollapalooza — and even more watching from home — seemed to be on the same side of Kacey, but not surprisingly, Fox & Friends took issue with what she said. Host Ainsley Earhardt, who seems to be more offended by the word “#^&#^&#^&#^&” than by tragic killings, brought on guest Todd Starnes, an author and conservative radio host, to discuss Kacey’s speech and she said, “She’s up there preaching about gun control, but how about her language? What happened to wholesome country singers?”

The eye-rolling and offensive quotes did not stop there. “I suspect she was put on a church prayer list,” Starnes responded. Later, he talked about the current wave of country singers who voice their liberal politics, and said, “Once liberalism starts to grow on something” — “Can’t get rid of it,” Earhardt interrupted — “It kills everything it touches,” Starnes concluded.

Later, Earhardt asked, “What about the kids? She’s asking them to chant the F word. I thought about that. I don’t want my daughter… I mean, these young girls, they look up to these musicians. She sings two great songs that I’ve downloaded, ‘Butterflies’ and ‘Rainbow,’ I love those songs, but now I’m gonna look differently at her because she is chanting that vulgar language.”
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[Sea Dangles]

I suggest you simply turn the channel if you find it offensive.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I suggest you simply turn the channel if you find it offensive.
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You're the one who said he started posting here bc he didn't like the way Trump was being treated.

Well I got my laugh for today.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You're the one who said he started posting here bc he didn't like the way Trump was being treated.

Well I got my laugh for today.

Just played a round of golf behind Bill Murray on Chappagui#^&#^&#^&#^&, that was my laugh for the day. Sorry about your sad life.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Just played a round of golf behind Bill Murray on Chappagui#^&#^&#^&#^&, that was my laugh for the day. Sorry about your sad life.
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Why would I have a sad life? I think I have a pretty good life.

You seem to be angry quite a bit and constantly post childish things at all hours of the day and night (week day and week night) - which I always thought reflected somehow on your life.

[Got Stripers]

Carlson stated with a straight face the reporting on the rise of white supremacy is a hoax, just like the Russia hoax, I guess he doesn’t believe in actual investigative reporting or maybe he would have stumbled over the FBI directors recent reporting on the dramatic rise in violence directly tied to white supremacy.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Carlson stated with a straight face the reporting on the rise of white supremacy is a hoax, just like the Russia hoax, I guess he doesn’t believe in actual investigative reporting or maybe he would have stumbled over the FBI directors recent reporting on the dramatic rise in violence directly tied to white supremacy.
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it is a hoax. compared to the damage done by fatherlessness and opioids?

GS, this isn’t the 1950s Alabama. The civil rights war is over, the good guys won. sure racism
still exists and
must be stamped out. but it’s nowhere near deserving of the attention it gets, and it gets this much attention because the left is willing to split the country in two to defeat trump. how about a sane, rational conversation about what each side actually stands for, and why each side thinks their ideas are better? ever notice republicans want that conversation, and democrats can’t stop
screaming about nazis long enough to even get started.

if racism is so rampant, why did two democratic presidential candidates conclude that it would be to their advantage to not appear white? Warren says she’s native american, Robert Francis O’Roarke wants to be Hispanic. if white nationals were mainstream, why do so many non whites desperately want to come here?
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

sure racism still exists and
must be stamped out. but it’s nowhere near deserving of the attention it gets, and it gets this much attention because the left is willing to split the country in two to defeat trump.

The media has become the greatest recruiting tool White Supremists have had in the past 50 years.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

The media has become the greatest recruiting tool White Supremists have had in the past 50 years.

exactly, exactly, exactly.

both sides need to calm down and have a cookout.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

exactly, exactly, exactly.

both sides need to calm down and have a cookout.
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dodgeball

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

The media has become the greatest recruiting tool White Supremists have had in the past 50 years.

"Spelling and Punctuation are pretty important when you're trying to assert your intellectual Superiority"

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

"Spelling and Punctuation are pretty important when you're trying to assert your intellectual Superiority"

Not all of us cut and paste all day long
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if racism is so rampant, why did two democratic presidential candidates conclude that it would be to their advantage to not appear white? Warren says she’s native american, Robert Francis O’Roarke wants to be Hispanic. if white nationals were mainstream, why do so many non whites desperately want to come here?
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Maybe because they, unlike "Ted" Rafael Edward Cruz or the "swedish" Donald Trump, embraced their heritage.

26% of eligible voters voted for Trump and Clinton

That means that 74% of eligible voters did not vote for Trump in 2016

More than 26% of eligible voters in 2020 are black or hispanic and 80% of blacks consider him racist.

In the next few weeks we will see the results of trump's recent actions on the hispanic vote, I don't predict it will fare well for him, likely farewell will be the effect.

I just saw this and wanted you to see that this guy along with you is a Tucker Carlson fanboy:

"Tucker is RIGHT!" David Duke wrote. "White Supremacy is a ZioMedia Conspiracy Theory! The term is itself a lie. Millions of White activists are NOT 'supremacists' We seek NOT to oppress or destroy any race! Human Rights for all - EVEN FOR WHITE PEOPLE! Stop antiWhite racism!"

[Sea Dangles]

Liberal fool plagued with TDS
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