Someone was listening

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Unfortunately, there’s no trick.

Yeah, there is a trick. Your supposedly parallel construction ("Republicans are running for office, they are white supremacists, neo nazis, holocaust deniers, anti Semitic and some, I assume, are good people") starts with an all inclusive noun "Republicans." Trump's statement did not have this kind of all inclusive noun such as "Mexicans." In fact, Trump qualified any assumed reference to Mexicans twice in that short statement. He said those he was referring to were not "the best" of the population. It is a sarcastic term of art that actually implies that what is referred to is actually "the worst." So it is obvious, if you're honest about it, that he was not referring to a major part of the Mexican population. And then he qualified it even further with saying even among those illegally crossing were some "good people." "Some" could mean any ratio of those from most to least. "Some" is not "all." And his statement was in the context that it wasn't just good folks seeking a better life that were crossing, but also those "worse" he mentioned which were a problem that called for a solution.

And your phony comparison was ridiculous to begin with, not founded on an actual situation. More self-defeating, it ended with something actually parallel to Trump's remark: "and some, I assume, are good people" which, in itself, destroys your trick of making it look like what you said was about all Republicans. Just as it destroyed any notion that Trump was talking about all Mexicans.


The verbal tricks or innuendoes are consistent in Trump’s speech.
He’s very good at it.
And he has scared many people with his rhetoric.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

You'll have to be a bit more specific. He has said a lot of things. Including some pretty good stuff. Anyway, your verbal tricks or innuendoes are consistent with most of your comments about Trump. As I've said before, you're a lot like what you think Trump is.

[Pete F.]

Trump keeps the press away from Dayton and El Paso saying he wants it to be about the victims and not a photo op. Then less than 24 hours from his campaign comes a photo op and campaign video.

He got a new slogan to go with the Campaign video.

"I got 22 people killed in El Paso & didn't lose a vote"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...98817478414337

[Got Stripers]

Between El Paso and now the ICE massive raid detaining almost 700 Latinos, I’m pretty sure he has alienated another voting block. Even if planned ahead of El Paso as reported, very clear rather then do the smart thing and hold off, they move forward. Pretty sad that school bus drivers were suddenly put in the position of determining if young school age children had parents to go home to.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[Sea Dangles]

Proving your instincts are all wrong again. Poor liberal fool.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Proving your instincts are all wrong again. Poor liberal fool.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Childish insults from a dotard.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Childish insults from a dotard.

Oh great, you learned a word from the internet. Smart guy!
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[Pete F.]

Silly boys
People without Trump Devotion Syndrome easily see the consistent lies uttered by the con man
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Silly boys
People without Trump Devotion Syndrome easily see the consistent lies uttered by the con man
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

People with Trump Derangement Syndrome are self delusional. They believe their own fabrications of so-called Trump lies.

[Sea Dangles]

They have nothing and make stuff up to promote their agenda like the rest of the silly people known as snowflake
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

They have nothing and make stuff up to promote their agenda like the rest of the silly people known as snowflake
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

You're the biggest snowflake here as you stated you only started posting here bc you didn't like how Trump was being treated.

[Sea Dangles]

You are not paying attention Paul
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[Sea Dangles]

How do they differ?🤷🏿#^&♂️
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

How do they differ?🤷🏿#^&♂️
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

One is Trump, the other isn't.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[Sea Dangles]

No,Jeff has straw syndrome.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Good god. And then you have the words out of his own mouth over and over and over again.

I’d ask again, who has TDS?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Out of his own mouth, he said that he wasn't talking about the Neo Nazis or White Nationalists. That they should be totally condemned.

Out of his own mouth, he said he was talking about the peaceful folks on both sides of the issue of tearing down the statue of Robert E. Lee. The many folks who were neither Neo Nazis nor Antifa, who came to demonstrate for or against the removal of the statue.

Out of his own mouth did not come the words "Neo Nazis are fine people." Nor, out of his own mouth, did he imply that. That false "interpretation" of the words that came out of his mouth, came out of the mouths of those who oppose him and concoct lies to destroy him. And it is repeated out of the mouths of believers like you.

His daughter is an Orthodox Jew, His grandchildren are Jews. He has condemned Neo Nazis before and after. Neo Nazis are anti Semites. Would Trump, Mr. Vindictive, Mr. Thin Skinned, think that people who hate his daughter and grand children and would wish them or do them harm, are fine people?

If he had referred to the Neo Nazis, who did he mean by fine people on both sides? Antifa would be the other side. Did the lying interpreters of his words say or even imply that Trump said or believed that Antifa were fine people? Why would they leave out that other side of what they accused Trump of? Actual words that came out of his own mouth have stated quite the opposite. Do you honestly believe that he said that some Antifa were fine people?

The actual words out of his own mouth said who he meant by fine people, and who he didn't. Those words were stated clearly and unequivocally.

What was tortuously twisted as Trump saying that Neo Nazis are fine people came out of the mouths of liars who hate trump and want to defeat and/or destroy him.

Or out of the mouths of those who have TDS.

[Sea Dangles]

Get used to him.
2020 will yield the same result because sensible people don’t want open borders and they also don’t want to pay off others student loans.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Get used to him.
2020 will yield the same result because sensible people don’t want open borders and they also don’t want to pay off others student loans.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

That’s 50% of the voting group for Cheeto.
The other half are racists.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[Pete F.]

All hail Trump

Look at all the great things He has done in only three years. Imagine what He could do in 20 or 30! Amazing! And when we hear His voice, it's like an angel sighing. I have no choice, I hear His voice. Feels like flying. It's like a dream, no end and no beginning.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Get used to him.
2020 will yield the same result because sensible people don’t want open borders and they also don’t want to pay off others student loans.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

if warren gets the nod ... I agree ... but paying off student loans has as much of a chance as getting Mexico to pay for the wall or replacing Obama care with something cheaper and better .... and some people voted for that and are still waiting

[The Dad Fisherman]

Like I said, great meme game

[The Dad Fisherman]

So it was Hannity’s conspiracy theory, not the GOP’s
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So it was Hannity’s conspiracy theory, not the GOP’s
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Why would it matter who started it if the righty's believed it? I don't think I mentioned GOP - exactly who is the GOP and which one's did the GOP start?

Was Trump a Rep or a Dem when he started the Birther lie and like over 40% of Repub. believed him with no evidence.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Why would it matter who started it if the righty's believed it? I don't think I mentioned GOP - exactly who is the GOP and which one's did the GOP start?

Was Trump a Rep or a Dem when he started the Birther lie and like over 40% of Repub. believed him with no evidence.

Can’t get that man out of your head can you?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Can’t get that man out of your head can you?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Well I'm amazed at how the full Rep. party have given themselves over to him with hardly any pushback. The things that people use to complain about Obama and the Dems are 50 x worse and no one seems to care. His lies are passed over as if this is normal behavior. We can go on and on. How many days has he vac. or golfed, How many executive actions, the deficit etc. Maybe we should discuss the things that used to be brought up here - Obama's tan suit or his "lie" about keeping your Dr. how Obama disrespected the office by putting his feet up. Ect.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well I'm amazed

quit whining...

and....you are the ONLY one that ever brings up this Obama tan suit...over...and over...and over

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well I'm amazed at how the full Rep. party have given themselves over to him with hardly any pushback. The things that people use to complain about Obama and the Dems are 50 x worse and no one seems to care. His lies are passed over as if this is normal behavior. We can go on and on. How many days has he vac. or golfed, How many executive actions, the deficit etc. Maybe we should discuss the things that used to be brought up here - Obama's tan suit or his "lie" about keeping your Dr. how Obama disrespected the office by putting his feet up. Ect.

Enjoy the ride cupcake
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[PaulS]

FactCheck Posts

Trump on Clinton’s ‘3 a.m. Call’

By Robert Farley

Posted on April 28, 2016

Donald Trump says that “instead of taking charge” during the Benghazi attacks, then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton “decided to go home and sleep.” Clinton says she was continuously engaged in responding to the attack from the moment she learned of it in the afternoon and “did not sleep all night.”

Trump is certainly entitled to his opinion, but the evidence shows Clinton was fully engaged in the immediate response, and subsequent congressional investigations concluded the government response to the attack — including Clinton’s — was appropriate.

For other claims from Trump’s speech, see our separate story, “Trump’s Foreign Policy Speech.”

In a speech on foreign policy on April 27, Trump hearkened back to Clinton’s famous “3 a.m.” campaign ad in 2008 in which she claimed she was more “tested” and prepared than Barack Obama to handle a late-night call to the White House about a dire emergency.


Trump, April 27: After Secretary Clinton’s failed intervention in Libya, Islamic terrorists in Benghazi took down our consulate and killed our ambassador and three brave Americans. Then, instead of taking charge that night, Hillary Clinton decided to go home and sleep. Incredible.

Clinton blames it all on a video, an excuse that was a total lie, proven to be absolutely a total lie. Our ambassador was murdered and our secretary of state misled the nation. And, by the way, she was not awake to take that call at 3 o’clock in the morning.

Trump made a similar claim the previous day on “Fox & Friends.”

Trump, April 26: She’s a disaster. Remember the famous call at 3 o’clock in the morning? She was sleeping, OK? She was sleeping. You know, it was her ad. Who would you like at 3 o’clock in the morning? Well, the phone rang and she was sleeping.

Trump is echoing a frequent attack line against Clinton. In an April 12, 2015, appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union,” Sen. Rand Paul said, “I think Benghazi was a 3 a.m. phone call that she never picked up.” And on Sept. 16, 2015, Sen. Lindsey Graham tweeted at Clinton, “Where the hell were you on the night of the Benghazi attack?”

There have been numerous congressional inquiries into the Benghazi attacks and the U.S. response to it, and Clinton herself has testified twice about it. And so we now know quite a bit about where Clinton was on the night of the Benghazi attacks, and what she was doing.

The Immediate Response

For starters, we should note that the embassy in Tripoli alerted the State Department headquarters in Washington about the attack on the diplomatic facility in Benghazi at about 3:45 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on Sept. 11, 2012, according to Clinton’s accounts and a Senate report on the attack. In her book “Hard Choices” (on pages 322-323), Clinton said she received the news in her office from the department’s executive secretary, Steve Mull.

Clinton wrote (page 323) that her first action was to use a secure phone on her desk to contact the White House, where she spoke to National Security Advisor Tom Donilon. At 4:05 the State Department Operations Center sent an “Ops Alert” notifying senior department officials, the White House Situation Room, and others that the Benghazi facility was under attack.

Obama immediately gave an order to “do whatever was necessary to support our people in Libya” and to mobilize “all possible resources,” Clinton said in her book.

Clinton wrote that she led the State Department operations team to work with the embassy in Tripoli to “get our people to safety and to break down the doors of the Libyan government if necessary to demand more support.” At 5:41 p.m., Clinton also called CIA Director David Petraeus because she knew the agency had a nearby post with a heavy security force, and according to the Wall Street Journal, Clinton “wanted to make sure the two agencies were on the same page.”

Clinton described a frenzy of communications that followed news of the attack, including communication with various State Department officials, the White House, the Libyan president, the National Security Council, the CIA, Department of Defense, Joint Chiefs of Staff and other agencies.

At around 8 p.m. (2 a.m. in Benghazi time), Clinton — with other senior staff on the line — called Gregory Hicks, deputy chief of mission at the Libyan embassy in Tripoli. Hicks testified that Clinton “asked me what was going on, and I briefed her on developments. Most of the conversation was about the search for Ambassador Stevens. It was also about what we were going to do with our personnel in Benghazi, and I told her that we would need to evacuate, and that was–she said that was the right thing to do.”

It should be noted that responsibility for the military response did not fall on Clinton, but rather on Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Marty Dempsey.

The actions taken by Clinton and others have been scrutinized in detail in several investigative reports, including by Republican-controlled House committees. Congressional committees and an independent board detailed the rescue attempts that night, carried out despite U.S. military assets not being in position to defend the Benghazi facility. Those reports said there were no undue delays in responding to the attacks, and they pointedly rejected unfounded allegations that the U.S. response was deliberately thwarted by a “stand down” order.

“Quite the contrary: the safe evacuation of all U.S. government personnel from Benghazi twelve hours after the initial attack and subsequently to Ramstein Air Force Base was the result of exceptional U.S. government coordination and military response,” the independent Accountability Review Board concluded in its Dec. 18, 2012, report.

The “U.S. military performed well in responding to the attacks,” the House Armed Services Committee said in a February 2014 report. Separately, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence said in its November 2014 report that the CIA — which was first on the scene of the attack — responded in a “timely and appropriate manner.”

Working from Home

At some point, Clinton made the decision to leave the State Department for the night and continue working from her home because, “I knew the days ahead were going to be taxing on us all, with the entire Department looking to me to lead them through this shocking tragedy while keeping everyone focused on what lay ahead,” Clinton wrote on page 328 of her book.


Clinton, “Hard Choices”: With our DS agents at the heavily fortified CIA post and our reinforcements from Tripoli on the ground at the airport, I decided to move from my office to my home in northwest Washington, only minutes away from Foggy Bottom. I knew the days ahead were going to be taxing on us all, with the entire Department looking to me to lead them through this shocking tragedy while keeping everyone focused on what lay ahead. When I became Secretary the Department outfitted my house with all the secure communications and other equipment necessary to work as easily from there as I could from the office.

I got on the phone with President Obama and gave him the latest updates.

On Oct. 22, 2015, during a House Select Committee hearing on Benghazi, Republican Rep. Martha Roby questioned Clinton closely about her decision to go home that night. For context, the questions came about nine hours into Clinton’s testimony.


Roby: And who else was at your home? Were you alone?

Clinton: I was alone, yes.

Roby: The whole night?

Clinton, laughing: Yes, the whole night.

Roby: I don’t know why that’s funny. I mean, did you have any in-person briefings? I don’t find it funny at all.

Clinton: I’m sorry — a little note of levity at 7:15, noted for the record.

Roby: Well, I mean, the reason I say it’s not funny is because it went well into the night when our folks on the ground were still in danger. So I don’t think it’s funny to ask you if you were alone the whole night.

Clinton: Well, Congresswoman, you asked if I had a SCIF. I had secure phones. I had other equipment that kept me in touch with the State Department at all times. I did not sleep all night. I was very much focused on what we were doing.

In regard to Clinton’s reference to utilizing a “SCIF” at her home, that’s short for a Sensitive Compartmented Informational Facility, a secure room that allows communication protected against leakage of sensitive security/military information.

In response to Roby’s follow-up questions, Clinton revealed that prior to her leaving the State Department headquarters for home, the death of U.S. Foreign Services Information Management Officer Sean Smith had been confirmed, and Clinton said she also knew U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens “was most likely not alive.” Clinton said she was at home when she learned of the second attack on the CIA annex facility, which began about 11:15 p.m. Eastern time and claimed the lives of CIA contractors Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.

Clinton said she talked to President Obama “late in the evening,” though she couldn’t recall exactly when.

We could find little in the available public documents to confirm Clinton’s engagement on the crisis after she went home — other than Clinton’s sworn testimony that “I had other equipment that kept me in touch with the State Department at all times. I did not sleep all night. I was very much focused on what we were doing.”

We know, for example that at 11:12 p.m., Clinton sent an an email to her daughter, Chelsea (who is identified in the email under her alias “Diane Reynolds.”) In that email, the secretary of state wrote: “Two of our officers were killed in Benghazi by an al Qaeda-like group: The Ambassador, whom I handpicked and a young communications officer on temporary duty w a wife and two young children. Very hard day and I fear more of the same tomorrow.”

We also know that at 11:38 p.m., Clinton emailed State Department officials Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan and Victoria Nuland to ask if the State Department should announce Stevens’ death that night or wait until the following morning.

We reached out to the Clinton campaign, which noted the 11:38 p.m. email Clinton sent from home, but provided no further evidence of communications through the early morning hours of Sept. 12. And because — as Clinton testified — she was home alone, there is no one to independently confirm her actions. We also reached out to the Trump campaign, but it did not respond.

Trump is entitled to his opinion about Clinton’s response to the Benghazi attack, but the evidence shows Clinton was fully engaged in the immediate response. And subsequent congressional investigations concluded the government response to the attack — including Clinton’s — was appropriate. Clinton testified that even after she went home that night, she remained awake all night, engaged and focused on the situation. Since there is no way to independently verify that, we’ll let readers decide for themselves, but we would note Trump has not provided any evidence to contradict Clinton’s account.

[Pete F.]

Meanwhile in the current Presidency with that guy who would be working all the time and not leave the WH

This is Trump's 218th day at a Trump golf club and 286th day at a Trump property as president.

[Sea Dangles]

Please provide an example of what any body would consider to be an insightful post from you ,Paul.

Was it the one where you disclosed people make money in the northeast and then move south? You are a tool. Plain and simple. But I have fun with you so keep entertaining me.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Please provide an example of what any body would consider to be an insightful post from you ,Paul.

Was it the one where you disclosed people make money in the northeast and then move south? You are a tool. Plain and simple. But I have fun with you so keep entertaining me.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Again nothing but childish insults from a dotard. It's embarrassing how your posts lack substance.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device