Maxine Waters: “The hell with the Supreme Court. We will defy them”.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you’re the one who brought up diaries,, yet criticizing us for doing so. That’s not stupid, no sir.

also, aren’t you engaging in what about-ism
here?

so please stop criticizing others for doing it.
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Your clueless .. I’ve compared a believe and a disbelief. Of what those mentioned posted … Aka Biden’s shower habits…. In multiple threads . As a deflection

It’s not my fault you guys can’t do a google search .and find out we’re the stuff you post as truth comes from
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

this guys supporters like Jim RR Scott & dad . Won’t believe he retaliated against player … he’s a god fearing man

But they believe Biden showered with his it seems teen age daughter Source Project Veritas,

Aimee Harris, a Florida claims to have sold Biden’s daughter’s journal. To project veritas for 40 k that she claims she found in a halfway house in 2020

Single mother of two Aimee Harris, 39, also fresh out of rehab, moved in weeks later and found it under the mattress.

Laptops and now diary’s

But Jan6th was a hoax
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“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”

You’re not to bright, are you
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”

You’re not to bright, are you
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What did I get wrong? you don’t believe what happened on Jan 6th was a hoax or just the part Trump and his administration tried to overturn the election .

Or you claiming you don’t care ?
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

What did I get wrong? you don’t believe what happened on Jan 6th was a hoax or just the part Trump and his administration tried to overturn the election .

Or you claiming you don’t care ?
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Literally nothing in that post, that you tagged me in, is correct.....nothing. You just spout bull #^&#^&#^&#^& all the time and blanket apply it to everybody because they don't agree with your idiocy.

You see things that were never written, you hear things that were never said, you have no comprehension of what people are saying, then you post like you're the one who's responding from the intellectual high ground.

[RIROCKHOUND]

He isn’t in ‘public’, he is a public school employee on school grounds.

Can a Muslim teacher pray to Mecca at the front of the room before class or the end of the day while the students are still there?
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

He isn’t in ‘public’, he is a public school employee on school grounds.

Can a Muslim teacher pray to Mecca at the front of the room before class or the end of the day while the students are still there?
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Won’t that be a fun case to get to the Supreme Court, when it comes down to what’s good for the Christian goose, is good for the Muslim gander.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

He isn’t in ‘public’, he is a public school employee on school grounds.

Can a Muslim teacher pray to Mecca at the front of the room before class or the end of the day while the students are still there?
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public school grounds. Correct?

It’s also his place of employment. It’s well settled that employers cannot force employees to abandon their religion when they show up for work.

This would be a terrific opportunity for the left to display some of that tolerance that they routinely demand.

i’d have no problem
with school
prayer, regardless of denomination. that ain’t the gotcha question you hoped for.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

public school grounds. Correct?

It’s also his place of employment. It’s well settled that employers cannot force employees to abandon their religion when they show up for work.

This would be a terrific opportunity for the left to display some of that tolerance that they routinely demand.

i’d have no problem
with school
prayer, regardless of denomination. that ain’t the gotcha question you hoped for.
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It wasn’t intended to be a gotcha. Just a hypothetical.

Read what Kevin posted and explain how the ‘official context’ isn’t clear? This isn’t two teachers having a bible discussion at lunch in teachers lounge, this is someone doing it over the school’s PA system.

We aren’t going to agree on this one. Moving on. Have a good night guys.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Well, they already can, so there’s that…

https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/..._guidance.html

A. Prayer During Non-instructional Time

Students may pray when not engaged in school activities or instruction, subject to the same rules designed to prevent material disruption of the educational program that are applied to other privately initiated expressive activities. Among other things, students may read their Bibles, Torahs, Korans, or other scriptures; say grace before meals; and pray or study religious materials with fellow students during recess, the lunch hour, or other non-instructional time to the same extent that they may engage in nonreligious activities. While school authorities may impose rules of order and pedagogical restrictions on student activities, they may not discriminate against student prayer or religious perspectives in applying such rules and restrictions.

C. Teachers, Administrators, and Other School Employees

When acting in their official capacities as representatives of the State, teachers, school administrators, and other school employees are prohibited by the First Amendment from encouraging or discouraging prayer, and from actively participating in such activity with students. Teachers, however, may take part in religious activities where the overall context makes clear that they are not participating in their official capacities. Teachers also may take part in religious activities such as prayer even during their workday at a time when it is permissible to engage in other private conduct such as making a personal telephone call. Before school or during lunch, for example, teachers may meet with other teachers for prayer or Bible study to the same extent that they may engage in other conversation or nonreligious activities. Similarly, teachers may participate in their personal capacities in privately sponsored baccalaureate ceremonies or similar events.

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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Well, they already can, so there’s that…

https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/..._guidance.html

A. Prayer During Non-instructional Time

Students may pray when not engaged in school activities or instruction, subject to the same rules designed to prevent material disruption of the educational program that are applied to other privately initiated expressive activities. Among other things, students may read their Bibles, Torahs, Korans, or other scriptures; say grace before meals; and pray or study religious materials with fellow students during recess, the lunch hour, or other non-instructional time to the same extent that they may engage in nonreligious activities. While school authorities may impose rules of order and pedagogical restrictions on student activities, they may not discriminate against student prayer or religious perspectives in applying such rules and restrictions.

C. Teachers, Administrators, and Other School Employees

When acting in their official capacities as representatives of the State, teachers, school administrators, and other school employees are prohibited by the First Amendment from encouraging or discouraging prayer, and from actively participating in such activity with students. Teachers, however, may take part in religious activities where the overall context makes clear that they are not participating in their official capacities. Teachers also may take part in religious activities such as prayer even during their workday at a time when it is permissible to engage in other private conduct such as making a personal telephone call. Before school or during lunch, for example, teachers may meet with other teachers for prayer or Bible study to the same extent that they may engage in other conversation or nonreligious activities. Similarly, teachers may participate in their personal capacities in privately sponsored baccalaureate ceremonies or similar events.

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Thanks Kevin.

For what it’s worth, my read of: “ may take part in religious activities where the overall context makes clear that they are not participating in their official capacities”

Would not include a coach of a football team on the field. That is a pretty clear context they are in their official capacities….

I have zero issue if this guy sat quietly on the bench for a second or said a prayer in his office or his car, but at a public school this doesn’t feel right to me.

This wasn’t the equivalent of a ‘personal phone call’
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Thanks Kevin.

For what it’s worth, my read of: “ may take part in religious activities where the overall context makes clear that they are not participating in their official capacities”

Would not include a coach of a football team on the field. That is a pretty clear context they are in their official capacities….

I have zero issue if this guy sat quietly on the bench for a second or said a prayer in his office or his car, but at a public school this doesn’t feel right to me.

This wasn’t the equivalent of a ‘personal phone call’
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He was doing it when the game was over, is he still coaching? Could be gray area, don't see firing him over it, didn’t see anything about him using the loud speaker, though.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

He was doing it when the game was over, is he still coaching? Could be gray area, don't see firing him over it, didn’t see anything about him using the loud speaker, though.
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shouldnt be using a PA system…
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

shouldnt be using a PA system…
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It was a metaphor….

The manual/handbook Kevin posted had an example of two teachers privately discussing the Bible. I made a comparison…

Maybe it’s a gray area, but when I played sports the coaches were coaches till the kids left the field/locker room and went home.

I have a feeling he was asked a number of times not to do this and warned, and then his contract was not renewed. He can coach at a parochial school and have all the prayer he wants…
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[Raider Ronnie]

Have any one you left wing socialist nut jobs condemned Maxing Watter’s words yet ?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Have any one you left wing socialist nut jobs condemned Maxing Watter’s words yet ?

Did you condemn all the tweets and comments your orange god made railing on the Supreme Court? How about his comments about Judge Curiel?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Did you condemn all the tweets and comments your orange god made railing on the Supreme Court? How about his comments about Judge Curiel?
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see, when I do that, the lefties all complain that i engaged in what about-ism.

Trumps comments were disgusting. Fair enough? Do what about Waters’ comments?
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

see, when I do that, the lefties all complain that i engaged in what about-ism.

Trumps comments were disgusting. Fair enough? Do what about Waters’ comments?
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I wasn’t talking to you on that….

What Maxine said was dumb but not a call to violence. What else is new she says dumb things a lot….
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[Pete F.]

Prayer circles led by high school coaches are not compulsory. If a player walks up to their coach and says, "Hey Coach, I'm not doing that because it makes me uncomfortable," the coach will always reply, "Thanks for keeping me in line!" Then the player will get more playing time
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Prayer circles led by high school coaches are not compulsory. If a player walks up to their coach and says, "Hey Coach, I'm not doing that because it makes me uncomfortable," the coach will always reply, "Thanks for keeping me in line!" Then the player will get more playing time
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you’re projecting. Because you despise everyone who disagrees with you, you assume
everyone does.

in any event, you can’t read the bill of rights and reach a different conclusion. thank god.

trump did this, too.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you’re projecting. Because you despise everyone who disagrees with you, you assume
everyone does.

in any event, you can’t read the bill of rights and reach a different conclusion. thank god.

trump did this, too.
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Sure Jim,

“I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk.”

Lauren Boebert went full theocracy, and proclaimed, “The church is supposed to direct the government” per the founding fathers.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Sure Jim,

“I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk.”

Lauren Boebert went full theocracy, and proclaimed, “The church is supposed to direct the government” per the founding fathers.
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you don’t know what separation of church and state means. It doesn’t mean we censor religion. it means the government can’t choose one religion over another. allowing a guy to pray, in no way violates that.

Please prove the accusation he retaliated against players who didn’t join, and i’ll agree he should have been fired.
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[Jim in CT]

Gay pride flags are all over public buildings. if that’s ok, why censor a guy praying?
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[Pete F.]

The fact that the Supreme Court of the United States straight up lied about the facts of a case -- and this lie is easily proven by a photograph included in the dissenting opinion -- seems like a significant moment in our slide towards authoritarianism.
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[Pete F.]

I’m confident that coaches, being well-adjusted folks with a firm grasp of individual autonomy and well-known respect for free will, wouldn’t conduct performative religious rituals in a way to coerce faith minorities.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I’m confident that coaches, being well-adjusted folks with a firm grasp of individual autonomy and well-known respect for free will, wouldn’t conduct performative religious rituals in a way to coerce faith minorities.
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so, does that mean you made it up, when you said he punished kids who didn’t participate? Sure sounds like it.

What does it say about you, that you can’t discuss this based on the actual facts? You need to fabricate details to make it agreeable to your narrative.

That’s what Jordan Peterson calls “the pathology of ideological
possession.”. You don’t merely “believe” in liberalism, you are possessed by it, you are enslaved by it.

Why not say he’s a pedophile while you’re making things up?
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[Pete F.]

Google is free

I do wonder about people who think liberal teachers are indoctrinating kids but who also want teachers leading prayers. There are huge differences among Christian denominations, not to mention with other faiths and no faith. If a teacher can make your kid gay (no a teacher can’t make your kid gay), don’t you think the teacher could also make him a Pentecostal?

On a similar note, I have watched the harrowing video of the assault on Rudy Giuliani. Just incredible that he survived. Be safe out there
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Google is free

I do wonder about people who think liberal teachers are indoctrinating kids but who also want teachers leading prayers. There are huge differences among Christian denominations, not to mention with other faiths and no faith. If a teacher can make your kid gay (no a teacher can’t make your kid gay), don’t you think the teacher could also make him a Pentecostal?

On a similar note, I have watched the harrowing video of the assault on Rudy Giuliani. Just incredible that he survived. Be safe out there
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i never said a teacher can make a kid gay. but for sure a teacher can make a kid a liberal.

Pete i’m old enough to remember how we treated each other when churches were mobbed on sunday’s. i can therefore compare that to our culture now, now that churches are 70% empty on sundays. We’re losing our moral compass, and it’s tied to losing faith.

No one needs faith to be a good person or to lead a rich life. But the data shows it helps, and you’re a perfect example, miserable, empty, bitter, consumed with hate.

i’d be ok with a generic prayer in school, there’s plenty of those. It won’t happen though, and i’m ok with that. Unlike you, i can deal
with it when i don’t get my way.

On this issue of abortion, obviously it all comes down to the status of the baby, that’s literally all that matters. The left is saying it’s not a person. The left made the same exact argument about blacks a while ago, and for the same exact reason ( personal convenience).

Make that wrong.
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[Pete F.]

So, you’re admitting that you want a theocracy.
Of course, returning to the fifties will be great.
Before minorities and women got all uppity, when men were men and women made dinner.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So, you’re admitting that you want a theocracy.
Of course, returning to the fifties will be great.
Before minorities and women got all uppity, when men were men and women made dinner.
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i said i’m ok with a generic prayer, and also ok without it.

From that, you claim i want a theocracy.

Good luck with that reasoning Pete.

Which side kept minorities segregated in the 1950s? And wasn’t it the religious right who led the charge against segregation, as the religious right led the charge against slavery?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i said i’m ok with a generic prayer, and also ok without it.

From that, you claim i want a theocracy.

Good luck with that reasoning Pete.

Which side kept minorities segregated in the 1950s? And wasn’t it the religious right who led the charge against segregation, as the religious right led the charge against slavery?
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What an odd view of history you have.

Apparently you missed Atwater’s Southern Strategy, the role of the Southern denominations in the fight against desegregation, and the splits in the Methodist, Baptist and other Churches over slavery.
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