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10-11-2018, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
I consider Pete to be well read. I can’t imagine how he still has trouble with immigrants, how has he not figured out that they are not the issue? But when you compare these great folks with illegal immigrants the conversations turn sour. 3
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If only it was simple
Currently Mexicans are emigrating back more than to here, perhaps NAFTA2.0 will raise wages in Mexico and reduce it further
Central America has some horrible intertwined social and governmental issues
They will take a long time to solve
People will always want to escape scary situations where their lives are threatened
Reducing or eliminating aid as threatened will significantly impact programs that are in place to reduce refugee migration
Building a wall that we pay for will not inspect the 14000 trucks that come to the USA each day or do anything about the new routes that will appear as long as there’s demand like boats or planes
It also won’t stop Americans from hiring cheap labor (just like guns we already have laws for that, read about Don the Con and the polish laborers)
If there is no opportunity far fewer will come
The most aggressive people will migrate they always have, you can see examples of that here in the states
Plenty of anecdotal examples of southern New England factories hiring Vermonters because they were hard workers
The lazy people in many cases stayed on the farm
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10-11-2018, 04:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete F.
If only it was simple
Currently Mexicans are emigrating back more than to here, perhaps NAFTA2.0 will raise wages in Mexico and reduce it further
Central America has some horrible intertwined social and governmental issues
They will take a long time to solve
People will always want to escape scary situations where their lives are threatened
Reducing or eliminating aid as threatened will significantly impact programs that are in place to reduce refugee migration
Building a wall that we pay for will not inspect the 14000 trucks that come to the USA each day or do anything about the new routes that will appear as long as there’s demand like boats or planes
It also won’t stop Americans from hiring cheap labor (just like guns we already have laws for that, read about Don the Con and the polish laborers)
If there is no opportunity far fewer will come
The most aggressive people will migrate they always have, you can see examples of that here in the states
Plenty of anecdotal examples of southern New England factories hiring Vermonters because they were hard workers
The lazy people in many cases stayed on the farm
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Geez, does the rest of the world find it as difficult as you seem to make it to restrict immigration? |
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10-11-2018, 05:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete F.
If only it was simple
Currently Mexicans are emigrating back more than to here, perhaps NAFTA2.0 will raise wages in Mexico and reduce it further
Central America has some horrible intertwined social and governmental issues
They will take a long time to solve
People will always want to escape scary situations where their lives are threatened
Reducing or eliminating aid as threatened will significantly impact programs that are in place to reduce refugee migration
Building a wall that we pay for will not inspect the 14000 trucks that come to the USA each day or do anything about the new routes that will appear as long as there’s demand like boats or planes
It also won’t stop Americans from hiring cheap labor (just like guns we already have laws for that, read about Don the Con and the polish laborers)
If there is no opportunity far fewer will come
The most aggressive people will migrate they always have, you can see examples of that here in the states
Plenty of anecdotal examples of southern New England factories hiring Vermonters because they were hard workers
The lazy people in many cases stayed on the farm
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Pete, all that aside. Do you understand some are legal and others are not?
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10-11-2018, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
Pete, all that aside. Do you understand some are legal and others are not?
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You don't understand. Illegals make this country great. |
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10-11-2018, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
Pete, all that aside. Do you understand some are legal and others are not?
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Really?
Did I say that they didn’t exist?
Would it be acceptable to you to have to carry a identity card and show it on demand?
We all lost a tremendous amount of freedom with the Patriot Act
What more do you want to give up?
Get chipped at birth perhaps?
Then ICE could just collect the unchipped illegals.
We have the technology to control people completely more like a science fiction movie than any you have seen
Be careful what you wish for
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
Lets Go Darwin
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10-11-2018, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
If only it was simple
Uh, oh, be careful now. Some people don't like words being put in their mouth. Who said it was simple?
Currently Mexicans are emigrating back more than to here, perhaps NAFTA2.0 will raise wages in Mexico and reduce it further
That's probably one of the reasons for it. it's complex, not simple.
Central America has some horrible intertwined social and governmental issues
They will take a long time to solve People will always want to escape
What if there is no escape?
scary situations where their lives are threatened
what do folks do if there is no escape and their lives are threatened?
Reducing or eliminating aid as threatened will significantly impact programs that are in place to reduce refugee migration
What if there is no escape?
Building a wall that we pay for will not inspect the 14000 trucks that come to the USA each day
Strange, we know about 14000 trucks a day . . . and we can't stop them, or a whole lot of them, and discourage more by confiscation of trucks, fines, and jailtime.
or do anything about the new routes that will appear as long as there’s demand like boats or planes
Wow . . . we can't do anything about boats and planes. How the hell did we win wars?
It also won’t stop Americans from hiring cheap labor (just like guns we already have laws for that, read about Don the Con and the polish laborers)
I wonder, if unemployed Americans were willing to hire out as "cheap labor," would Americans still hire illegals?
If there is no opportunity far fewer will come
The most aggressive people will migrate they always have, you can see examples of that here in the states
Plenty of anecdotal examples of southern New England factories hiring Vermonters because they were hard workers
The lazy people in many cases stayed on the farm
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If we can't stop every single one, it's all a failure. |
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10-11-2018, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
If we can't stop every single one, it's all a failure.
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A great mind once said, “Don’t let good be the enemy of great.”
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10-11-2018, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Ian
A great mind once said, “Don’t let good be the enemy of great.”
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Excellent advice. It is good to prevent as many illegals as possible rather than just giving up because you can't prevent them all.
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10-12-2018, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
Excellent advice. It is good to prevent as many illegals as possible rather than just giving up because you can't prevent them all.
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I think expanding the idea of prevention to include reevaluating the way we consider paths to legal citizenship should be a part of this solution.
While I’m not suggesting anything with regards to people that are currently here illegally, what I am saying is that I believe we have a serious issue with our immigration system when there are legal immigration paths where large well to do companies can internationally recruit people and pay them through the system but small businesses who can’t afford the same are forced to hire “illegal” help where it’s readily available because those people aren’t afforded the same experience with our system.
I’m not sure you agree with me here, but I consider this part of preventing illegal immigrants.
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