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Old 07-30-2019, 09:55 AM   #1
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Why Does No One Care That Trump Is Lying About Elijah Cummings’ District?

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Rep, Elijah Cummings has been a brutal bully, shouting and screaming at the great men & women of Border Patrol about conditions at the Southern Border, when actually his Baltimore district is FAR WORSE and more dangerous. His district is considered the Worst in the USA…..

….As proven last week during a Congressional tour, the Border is clean, efficient & well run, just very crowded. Cumming District is a disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess. If he spent more time in Baltimore, maybe he could help clean up this very dangerous & filthy place . . .

Why is so much money sent to the Elijah Cummings district when it is considered the worst run and most dangerous anywhere in the United States. No human being would want to live there. Where is all this money going? How much is stolen? Investigate this corrupt mess immediately!


What is the basis of this statement by Trump: "it is considered the worst run and most dangerous anywhere in the United States"
Is considered means it is not just his opinion but a belief of others and not just Trumps opinion.

And this is not true. He's lying. The president of the United States is lying to you. And he is lying in an attempt to disparage and denigrate a politician and his part of America. (Kind of makes you want to tell him to love or leave it, doesn’t it?)

Here are some things you may or may not know about Maryland’s 7th district:

It includes Johns Hopkins University, Johns Hopkins Hospital (which is one of the two or three best medical centers in the world), and Baltimore’s Inner Harbor.
It stretches as far west as Mount Airy.
This western part of the district is essentially farmland.
The median household income in the United States is $59,000. The median household income in MD-7 is $61,000.
11 percent of district residents are foreign-born (compared to 13.5 percent for the U.S.).
In educational attainment, MD-7 is right around the national average: 88.8 percent high school graduate and 38 percent a bachelor’s degree or higher.
The majority of workers in MD-7 are white collar though there is a sizable blue-collar working class.
You can find all of this and more from the Census.

If you wanted to rank congressional districts by markers that might suggest they are the “worst” there are people who do that. Take this list of districts by median household income. (NY-15 is dead last, with a median income less than half that of MD-7.)

There are rankings for districts by life expectancy (last is Kentucky’s 5th district) and educational attainment (last is Texas’ 29th district).

My point is that to believe that Maryland’s 7th district is “the worst” you have to know basically nothing about American life. Because not only is it not “technically” the “worst,” it’s not even close. By every conceivable measure, MD-7 is on the high side of average.

Does it matter that the president of the United States doesn’t know any of this?

Does it matter that he’s lying when he says that other people agree with his incorrect opinion?

Does it matter that the man who two weeks ago said that people who are critical of America ought to go back to where they came from is now lying about America in an attempt to criticize it?

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Old 07-30-2019, 09:58 AM   #2
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It could have just been hyperbole,if you had not considered such.
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Old 07-30-2019, 10:11 AM   #3
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It could have just been hyperbole,if you had not considered such.
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That is certainly the purpose of Presidential speech.

Trump never lies, he just hyperbolizes.

So what that he says is actually true.

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MD-7 Population = 662,000
Baltimore Population = 622,000
Difference = 40,000
so 93% of the district is in Baltimore

MD-7 Median Income = $60,929
Baltimore Median Income = $47,131
Difference = $13,798

yeah, nothing to see here

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That is certainly the purpose of Presidential speech.

Trump never lies, he just hyperbolizes.

So what that he says is actually true.
You can’t have it both ways. Thanks for trying
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Old 07-30-2019, 11:11 AM   #6
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It’s not our job to defend Rep. Elijah Cummings from President Donald Trump’s Twitter rants. For one thing, he’s quite capable of doing it on his own, and for another, our role isn’t to offer blind loyalty to political leaders of any party but to hold them to account. Likewise, we’re not in the business of defending Baltimore from any and all criticism. Our city has problems, big ones, and we don’t shy away from them, nor do we give any politicians a pass for failing to do as much as humanly possible to fix them. But we are sticklers for facts and perspective, and in case anybody is still interested in those things, we have a few that are worth mentioning.
Mr. Cummings has not single-handedly solved Baltimore’s racial and class inequities, its injustices, its blight, its epidemics of lead poisoning and asthma, its violence or, indeed, its problems with rats. And he has been in office for a long time, more than 30 years between Congress and the Maryland House of Delegates. But Baltimore’s problems go back a lot farther than that.
President Trump, whose early career was marred by a federal housing discrimination suit, may be interested to know that Baltimore was something of a pioneer in that regard. It enacted the first housing segregation ordinances, which were soon invalidated by the Supreme Court, leading to subtler and more nefarious tactics. Racially restrictive covenants, privately enforced, prevented the sale of homes in certain neighborhoods to minorities. Redlining prevented minorities from getting financing to buy homes in white neighborhoods. And blockbusting made rich the unscrupulous men who capitalized on racism and fear to drive white flight. They profiteered on blacks who sought security and better opportunities but instead found themselves exploited and impoverished.
Those days aren’t nearly so far in the past as we might like to think. Just seven years ago, Baltimore settled a landmark lending discrimination suit against Wells Fargo, which steered minority borrowers into subprime mortgages — the sort of abuse the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which Mr. Trump has eviscerated, might have prevented. Landlords in Baltimore continue to take advantage of rules stacked in their favor to evict low-income (and frequently minority) tenants; in a particularly egregious example, the Kushner Cos. (as in Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner) has aggressively sought to jail tenants who fall behind on their rent.
As whites moved to the suburbs, sped along the way by massive investments in new highways, water and sewer systems, schools and other public amenities, Baltimore City’s infrastructure began to crumble. Neighborhoods like those in the East and West Baltimore portions of Mr. Cummings’ district became increasingly isolated from economic and educational opportunities. (Mr. Cummings was among the Baltimore leaders who sought to address that problem through the development of a new light rail line connecting those neighborhoods to employment centers including the Social Security Administration and Johns Hopkins Bayview Medical Center, but Gov. Larry Hogan, who over the weekend responded to Mr. Trump’s tweets by calling Baltimore “the very heart of the state” and on Monday by asking why politicians aren’t “focused on solving the problems and getting to work,” killed the project.)
Meanwhile, back in the ’90s, Democrats and Republicans both discovered that espousing zero-tolerance policing was great politics, so long as it was enforced disproportionately against blacks and Hispanics in the nation’s cities and not against whites in suburban and rural communities. Plenty of people share blame for that, including former Vice President Joe Biden and former Maryland Gov. (and former Baltimore mayor) Martin O’Malley. But not a lot of them continue to espouse the notion that locking more people up for minor offenses or stopping and frisking people on the streets are good ideas, as the Trump administration has done.
The Obama administration tried to do something about the pockets of concentrated poverty in American cities (and Baltimore specifically) by using federal housing policy to affirmatively foster desegregation, something the Fair Housing Act had called for 50 years before, but Mr. Trump’s HUD secretary, Baltimore’s own Ben Carson, has been working to dismantle those efforts.
We will agree with President Trump on one thing, though. We wish Mr. Cummings weren’t so focused on investigating the Trump administration. We wish, for example, that immigrant children weren’t being held in inhumane conditions at the border, that the White House complied with congressional subpoenas, that administration officials weren’t conducting public business on private email accounts or that the president of the United States didn’t look on the office as a giant profit center for himself and his family. If not for things like that, Mr. Cummings’ role as chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Reform would probably take up much less of his time.

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Old 07-30-2019, 01:11 PM   #7
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For the faithful and the eye pokers .. if Trump says its true it is .. like If I wanted to win that war, Afghanistan would be wiped off the face of the earth, it would be over literally in 10 days," Trump said. “I just don't want to kill 10 million people." How heroic.... If you dont agree with T 100% a. You'll be assigned a TDS lable.. its easier then defending him
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Old 07-30-2019, 01:46 PM   #8
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wdmso, not everything trump says is true. but he did speak the truth when he called baltimore rat infested. it’s not that i believe everything he says, it’s that you disbelieve everything he says.

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wdmso, not everything trump says is true. but he did speak the truth when he called baltimore rat infested. it’s not that i believe everything he says, it’s that you disbelieve everything he says.

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Here are all the cities ahead of Baltimore on the Orkin list.

Number of rats is a pretty stupid rubric for success, especially when "our intelligence agencies are running amok"

Chicago
Los Angeles
New York
Washington, DC
San Francisco
Detroit
Philadelphia
Cleveland, OH

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Old 07-30-2019, 02:29 PM   #10
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Number of rats is a pretty stupid rubric for success

OH
but an obvious rubric if determining whether or not a place is rat infested. which is what trump
explicitly said. there are many non-rat reasons to
conclude that city is a failure

trump said it’s rat infested, and it is. I’m terribly sorry if you can’t process the fact that he got something right, snowflake.
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Here are all the cities ahead of Baltimore on the Orkin list.

Number of rats is a pretty stupid rubric for success, especially when "our intelligence agencies are running amok"

Chicago
Los Angeles
New York
Washington, DC
San Francisco
Detroit
Philadelphia
Cleveland, OH
Congratulations on their Top Ten finish, they must be proud

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Old 07-30-2019, 03:14 PM   #12
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but an obvious rubric if determining whether or not a place is rat infested. which is what trump
explicitly said. there are many non-rat reasons to
conclude that city is a failure

trump said it’s rat infested, and it is. I’m terribly sorry if you can’t process the fact that he got something right, snowflake.
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wdmso, not everything trump says is true. but he did speak the truth when he called baltimore rat infested. it’s not that i believe everything he says, it’s that you disbelieve everything he says.

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I disbelieved what Trump says be cause its not true.. not just because he said it. Most rationale people do the same

Like most rationale people they understand he literally wasn't criticizing Cummings over the amount of rats in Baltimore
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I disbelieved what Trump says be cause its not true.. not just because he said it. Most rationale people do the same


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trump said baltimore is rat infested. which it is. It’s not a false statement.
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trump said baltimore is rat infested. which it is. It’s not a false statement.
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This is the very definition of myopic.
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This is the very definition of myopic.
it’s also the definition of responding to what was actually said, as opposed to hearing voices.
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All y'all aint been to Bal'more. I have lived inside and just outside of Baltimore for about 11 years and spent numerous other times in and out of Baltimore, one of my favorite cities.

Baltimore is really effed up. Makes rough sections of Boston and Providence look downright lame.



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Like most rationale people they understand he literally wasn't criticizing Cummings over the amount of rats in Baltimore
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the harbor area of baltimore is awesome. much of the rest of the city, is a poster child for urban failure.

Trump is getting democrat leaders to say it’s wrong, even racist, for Trump to say that the city stinks and that people there deserve better:

He’s getting the entire democratic party to say it’s racist to say people
there deserve better.

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on the rake. i cannot get over how easy it is for him to get them to hit themselves in the face with pies.
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Trump is afraid to look at Red States

Trump criticizes Cummings, who has been in Washington since 1996. But Senate Majority Leader Moscow Mitch McConnell of Kentucky has been in the Senate since 1984 — what’s he done?

The least educated states are, from 46th to 50th: Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, West Virginia and Mississippi.

Highest poverty rates (46th to 50th): Kentucky, West Virginia, New Mexico, Louisiana, Mississippi.

Most dangerous (46th to 50th): Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico.

Highest share of people on food stamps in 2017 (46th to 50th): Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, West Virginia, New Mexico.

Most dependent on federal aid — i.e., “socialism” (46th to 50th): Kentucky, Arizona, New Mexico, Louisiana, Mississippi.

Most polluted (46th to 50th): Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana.

Most people lacking health insurance (46th to 50th): Florida, Georgia, Alaska, Oklahoma, Texas.

What’s interesting is that of the 16 states mentioned in these seven categories, all but New Mexico are red states that voted for Trump in 2016. Trump can't mention their problems, because he fears offending people who voted for him.

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Trump is afraid to look at Red States

Trump criticizes Cummings, who has been in Washington since 1996. But Senate Majority Leader Moscow Mitch McConnell of Kentucky has been in the Senate since 1984 — what’s he done?

The least educated states are, from 46th to 50th: Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, West Virginia and Mississippi.

Highest poverty rates (46th to 50th): Kentucky, West Virginia, New Mexico, Louisiana, Mississippi.

Most dangerous (46th to 50th): Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico.

Highest share of people on food stamps in 2017 (46th to 50th): Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, West Virginia, New Mexico.

Most dependent on federal aid — i.e., “socialism” (46th to 50th): Kentucky, Arizona, New Mexico, Louisiana, Mississippi.

Most polluted (46th to 50th): Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana.

Most people lacking health insurance (46th to 50th): Florida, Georgia, Alaska, Oklahoma, Texas.

What’s interesting is that of the 16 states mentioned in these seven categories, all but New Mexico are red states that voted for Trump in 2016. Trump can't mention their problems, because he fears offending people who voted for him.
talk about extreme whataboutism....pete...cutting and pasting lots of words doesn't make you right
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talk about extreme whataboutism....pete...cutting and pasting lots of words doesn't make you right
Poverty, homelessness, & crime can be seen across America.

Singling out one city and Congressman (especially of the pedigree of @RepCummings) is not about addressing the problems.

It's about something else.

And we all know it.

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Poverty, homelessness, & crime can be seen across America.

Singling out one city and Congressman (especially of the pedigree of @RepCummings) is not about addressing the problems.

It's about something else.

And we all know it.
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He likes to bring you to the edge but he won’t let you nut in his face. That PeteF is some kind of tease.
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