Hilary tells CNN she has never lied to the public

[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Good thread and the first Spence meltdown I can recall. Desperation elicits interesting reactions,too many balls in the air for Jeff to handle. He needs an assist from Monica!
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Yes, what a meltdown...it's tragic really. I'm at a loss for what to do

[scottw]

you're rolling out all the same old one-liners

[buckman]

Originally Posted by scottw

you're rolling out all the same old one-liners

Talking points . He's a good follower
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Yes, what a meltdown...it's tragic really. I'm at a loss for what to do

You are a good guy, and a smart guy, you have gotten the better of me more times than I care to admit On this topic, on this thread, you are imploding.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You are a good guy, and a smart guy, you have gotten the better of me more times than I care to admit On this topic, on this thread, you are imploding.

I think you mean TDF, he's the one resorting to the sexist and racist remarks.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you mean TDF, he's the one resorting to the sexist and racist remarks.

What did TDF say that was racist, exactly?

Again, your incredible double-standard. He uses the phrase 'trophy wife', and you criticize him for being sexist (as if ANYONE would seriously describe her that way). Yet Hilary says that pro-lifers are attacking women's health,m and you brush that off as "just an expression". Hilary will always blame whitey, preferably if said whitey wworks on Wall Street and wears a Brooks Brothers suit. Never mind that Chelsea's husband is a hedge fund manager, THAT Hilary is OK with, for reasons as yet unexplained.

Obama says that everyone on my side are a bunch of racist, bitter clingers, and you have no problem with that. TDF says that Hilary was a trophy wife at a conference, and you make him out to be Archie Bunker.

You go ahead and defend that double standard, please.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Let me put it this way...

I don't NEED to do a #^&#^&#^&#^&ing thing....PERIOD.

I didn't have anything even close to privilege growing up.

So SHE can take her collective WE and stick it up her ass.

I will stay in my little world where the Beer is cold, the jokes are politically incorrect, and I treat people the same regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation......if people want to embrace my philosophy.....they are more than welcome to join me.

Hillary has no place in my world

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I didn't have anything even close to privilege growing up.

I had no financial priviledge. I had a different kind of priviledge, one that no white person is depriving any bkack oerson of. What I had, was two (dirt poor) parents who loved each other, loved their kids to death, worked hard, and broke their backs to keep us all on the path to productivity. No TV during dinner, everyone at the table talking to each other. Strict rules on completing homework. Encouragement for putting forth our best effort. Church every single Sunday wihtout exception.

That was my priviledge, and mankind knows no better blueprint for upward economic mobility. But those values that serve as the foundation for upward economic mobility, are exactly the values that are mocked and rejected by liberals like Hilary. My parents took absolutely nohting from any African American, so as TDF said, Hilary can keep her white guilt to herself. But she won't keep it to herself, because the more she talks about it, the more votes she gets.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Let me put it this way...

I don't NEED to do a #^&#^&#^&#^&ing thing....PERIOD.

I didn't have anything even close to privilege growing up.

So SHE can take her collective WE and stick it up her ass.

I will stay in my little world where the Beer is cold, the jokes are politically incorrect, and I treat people the same regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation......if people want to embrace my philosophy.....they are more than welcome to join me.

Hillary has no place in my world

Here here

[Nebe]

Jim, it is a slippery slope for you to say you have never had white privlidge on your side, just as much as it is for a person of color to tell you that you have. Unless you have lived as a minority, you will never know what life can be like when you are constantly oppressed by racists. So I would shut your pie hole about saying you had to claw your way to get to where you are today... A black man would have to claw his way a lot harder.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Jim, it is a slippery slope for you to say you have never had white privlidge on your side, just as much as it is for a person of color to tell you that you have. Unless you have lived as a minority, you will never know what life can be like when you are constantly oppressed by racists. So I would shut your pie hole about saying you had to claw your way to get to where you are today... A black man would have to claw his way a lot harder.
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I don't know if I'd go so far as to say constantly oppressed by racists. The bigger issue Clinton was so eloquently speaking to was the more subtle aspects of discrimination that black people often deal with but are disregarded by whites. Really, all Clinton was saying is be mindful, there are multiple perspectives.

This idea seems to make Jim and TDF foam at the mouth and snap at imaginary flies for some reason.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say constantly oppressed by racists. The bigger issue Clinton was so eloquently speaking to was the more subtle aspects of discrimination that black people often deal with but are disregarded by whites. Really, all Clinton was saying is be mindful, there are multiple perspectives.

This idea seems to make Jim and TDF foam at the mouth and snap at imaginary flies for some reason.

"Clinton was so eloquently speaking to " Tell me, Were you feeling a tingle running down your leg ?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say constantly oppressed by racists. The bigger issue Clinton was so eloquently speaking to was the more subtle aspects of discrimination that black people often deal with but are disregarded by whites. Really, all Clinton was saying is be mindful, there are multiple perspectives.

This idea seems to make Jim and TDF foam at the mouth and snap at imaginary flies for some reason.

Here's what gets me going...I ask you a very simple question (where does Hilary get off lecturing anyone about this, when she did EVERYTHING in her power to deny the blacks the candidate they wanted in 2008...that's a simple question, and very fair given her statements. And you won't answer. Because you can't.

Everyone, except her I guess, owes it to them to make sacrifices.

"I don't know if I'd go so far as to say constantly oppressed by racists."

What a concession. We have a 2-term black President.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

What a concession. We have a 2-term black President.

Half-Black.......must have been his White Privilege that got him elected.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Jim, it is a slippery slope for you to say you have never had white privlidge on your side, just as much as it is for a person of color to tell you that you have. Unless you have lived as a minority, you will never know what life can be like when you are constantly oppressed by racists. So I would shut your pie hole about saying you had to claw your way to get to where you are today... A black man would have to claw his way a lot harder.
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It's all about personal responsibility versus excuses . I have plenty of Dominican and Jamaican friends that are doing just fine . They came from very poor and oppressed areas . They are just good honest hard-working folks who take care of their families . To a man they would agree with Jim on this
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

It's all about personal responsibility versus excuses . I have plenty of Dominican and Jamaican friends that are doing just fine . They came from very poor and oppressed areas . They are just good honest hard-working folks who take care of their families . To a man they would agree with Jim on this
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"I have plenty of Dominican and Jamaican friends that are doing just fine "


DING DING DING, we have a winner again!!

Every Sunday, I fill up my truck with gas at the local Shell, and stop in to get the paper. The family that owns the station, is from the African nation of Liberia, one of the last places on the planet you'd want to be born. Every singlke time I go in there, the husband and wife are working, all smiles. Their two kids are either studying or working. They even manage to pull their pants uo high enough so I don't have to see their underwear. They cam here with nohting, worked at the store, git some kind o ffederal loan to help them by the store. They work 7 days a week. And their kids both go to college for free.

I have spoken to this man countless times. He always asks me why anyone would claim this is an overtly racist nation, sinc ethis is the only nation on th eplanet where he could come with nothing, own a business, and give his kids a world-class education.

He has said to me, many times, that if you are black, it's better NOT to have been born here, but rather to immigrate. And not because of white people. But because of the culture embraced by too many American blacks.

His story is not unique. Every town in every state, has a similar family. And we have a black President. And still, we have Hilary asking "when will we overcome?"

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Jim, it is a slippery slope for you to say you have never had white privlidge on your side, just as much as it is for a person of color to tell you that you have. Unless you have lived as a minority, you will never know what life can be like when you are constantly oppressed by racists. So I would shut your pie hole about saying you had to claw your way to get to where you are today... A black man would have to claw his way a lot harder.
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Maybe I would have been pulle dover a few more times if I was black. So maybe that's white privildege. But ta the same time, if I was black, I woul dhave gotten a free ride (and a monthly stipend) to go to UCONN, instead of taking out loans. It works both ways.

If my family was black instead of white, and everything else was the same, there is no earthly reason to believe my life would be less fulfilling to me, or that it would have been harder.

"you will never know what life can be like when you are constantly oppressed by racists"

Who is being 'constantly oppressed by racists'? This isn't the 1950s. I reject that widespread, institutional racism exists.

"So I would shut your pie hole about saying you had to claw your way to get to where you are today"

And I would tell you to shut your pie hole about telling me to shut my pie hole. If I was black, I would've gone to UCONN for free, that is a fact based on the grades I had in high school - we joked about it at the time. Please tell me how, specifically, my life would have been harder if I was black. I can't wait to hear this...maybe i would have been pulled over more by the police. Maybe not.

[The Dad Fisherman]

She's doing it for votes....Period. If she gets elected what exactly can she do to fix white privilege? nothing...that's what. Because its a BS fantasy that doesn't exist.

And stop with the BS of a black man having to claw his way harder than a white man......there is ALWAYS going to be people in this world who have it easier than someone else....regardless of the color of their skin....that's called life.

There are black kids from rich black families going to top tier schools and white kids from poor white families going to community college.....is that Black Privilege we are seeing? No....just an example of somebody having it better than somebody else....that's all.

I'm getting tired, as a White Heterosexual Male, of always being made out like I'm the root cause of everybody's problems.

Do good in school, stay out of trouble, work hard, and continue to strive....and guess what, good things will start to happen.....notice that all of those things have absolutely nothing to do with the color of anybody's skin.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

She's doing it for votes....Period. If she gets elected what exactly can she do to fix white privilege? nothing...that's what. Because its a BS fantasy that doesn't exist.

And stop with the BS of a black man having to claw his way harder than a white man......there is ALWAYS going to be people in this world who have it easier than someone else....regardless of the color of their skin....that's called life.

There are black kids from rich black families going to top tier schools and white kids from poor white families going to community college.....is that Black Privilege we are seeing? No....just an example of somebody having it better than somebody else....that's all.

I'm getting tired, as a White Heterosexual Male, of always being made out like I'm the root cause of everybody's problems.

Do good in school, stay out of trouble, work hard, and continue to strive....and guess what, good things will start to happen.....notice that all of those things have absolutely nothing to do with the color of anybody's skin.

"She's doing it for votes....Period"

Obviously. if she believed one syllable of that crap she's peddling, she would have allowed Obama to be the nominee in 2008, unchallenged. But boy, did she fight him for that. I'm supposed to believe that she's wracked with white guilt?

"And stop with the BS of a black man having to claw his way harder than a white man"

Spence and Nebe, do you think that a wealthy black man has it harder than a poor white man? if not, then it's not about race.

"I'm getting tired, as a White Heterosexual Male, of always being made out like I'm the root cause of everybody's problems"

So are a lot of us. Which is exactly why Trump got 46% of the vote in Nevada.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Do good in school, stay out of trouble, work hard, and continue to strive....and guess what, good things will start to happen.....notice that all of those things have absolutely nothing to do with the color of anybody's skin.

Bingo.

But that message, doesn't allow a political candidate to cobble together a large voting block.

I want to be a "life coach" someday. Every person who comes to see me, will get the same answer..."if you want to know what the problem is, look in the mirror. If you want to know what the solution is, look in the Bible. That will be $250, cash or card, tell your friends. Next!"

As my Dad always says, "the only place where success comes before work, is in the dictionary." That notion applies, regardless of race.

You have there, a 4-point plan, 14 words in all, that are a blueprint for a self-sufficient life. And it works equally well across ethnicities. The problem is that the black culture, is being incentivized by liberal policies, to embrace a different philosophy. And if you look atthe evidence staring us in the face (what has happened in our cities for 50 years), it could not be more clear that the liberal approach has been a disaster. Yet every November, they regurgitate the same failing and short-sighted promises.

I wonder if it's intentional (do liberals secretly desire to keep placks down), or are they really too stupid to admit that their policies just don't work. Just how much damage does liberal ideology have to do to these people, before liberals conclude that it's bad policy?

Until the day I die, I will wonder if it's intentional on their part, because no one can be that clueles and aloof.

[Nebe]

Ehh I didn't say Any white person is a default reason for someone else's problems.

Get arrested with 5 ounces of weed and see what happens if you are white or black. Look at the prison population... Mostly black. Look at the water situation in flint Michigan. It's a mostly black town.. I would imagine if that was a mostly white town the water situation would have been fixed.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Get arrested with 5 ounces of weed and see what happens if you are white or black. Look at the prison population... Mostly black.

Well, maybe if they followed TDF's 4 step program they wouldn't be there

Originally Posted by Nebe

Look at the water situation in flint Michigan. It's a mostly black town.. I would imagine if that was a mostly white town the water situation would have been fixed.
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That had absolutely nothing to do with skin color.....that was about money. people need to stop making everything a race issue. 37% of flint's population is white.

Just because Black People get screwed.....doesn't always mean its about skin color.

An Ass-hole is an Ass-hole....regardless of skin color too.....

[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Get arrested with 5 ounces of weed and see what happens if you are white or black. Look at the prison population... Mostly black. Look at the water situation in flint Michigan. It's a mostly black town.. I would imagine if that was a mostly white town the water situation would have been fixed.
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Wait, you're telling me that the War on Drugs has had a disproportionate impact by race????

I guess I should have known this from the multitude of studies on the issue showing disproportionate ratio of drug use to incarceration.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Wait, you're telling me that the War on Drugs has had a disproportionate impact by race????

I guess I should have known this from the multitude of studies on the issue showing disproportionate ratio of drug use to incarceration.

"Wait, you're telling me that the War on Drugs has had a disproportionate impact by race????"

And the war waged on us by drug dealers, has also disproportionately impacted the black community, has it not? Go tell the people who live in Chicago, that the enemy in the war on drugs, are the white cops.

"disproportionate ratio of drug use to incarceration"

That needs to get looked at. Until then, I know a good way for blacks to avoid getting disportionate sentences for drug use...don't do drugs. How about that?

Still waiting for you to explain why Clinton has any standing to discuss this, when she did everyuthing in her power, to deny a black man (Obama) from the job he so wanted. Please explain? I'm all a-twitter...

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Still waiting for you to explain why Clinton has any standing to discuss this, when she did everyuthing in her power, to deny a black man (Obama) from the job he so wanted. Please explain? I'm all a-twitter...

So a respect for other viewpoints equates to total capitulation? That doesn't make any sense.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

So a respect for other viewpoints equates to total capitulation? That doesn't make any sense.

Oh, I see. So Hilary just wants us to respect the black viewpoint. And what evidence is there, pray tell, that she has any more respect for the black viewpoint, than Ted Cruz has? Please elaborate!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

So a respect for other viewpoints equates to total capitulation? That doesn't make any sense.

She has also said, many times, that she supports affirmative action. Seems to me that if she meant that, she would have wanted Obama to get the job he wanted in 2008, no?

[The Dad Fisherman]

What do the charts say about the disproportionate amount of blacks/Whites who are incarcerated because they didn't break the law. and stayed out of trouble