Hilary tells CNN she has never lied to the public

[Nebe]

Jim, it is a slippery slope for you to say you have never had white privlidge on your side, just as much as it is for a person of color to tell you that you have. Unless you have lived as a minority, you will never know what life can be like when you are constantly oppressed by racists. So I would shut your pie hole about saying you had to claw your way to get to where you are today... A black man would have to claw his way a lot harder.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Jim, it is a slippery slope for you to say you have never had white privlidge on your side, just as much as it is for a person of color to tell you that you have. Unless you have lived as a minority, you will never know what life can be like when you are constantly oppressed by racists. So I would shut your pie hole about saying you had to claw your way to get to where you are today... A black man would have to claw his way a lot harder.
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I don't know if I'd go so far as to say constantly oppressed by racists. The bigger issue Clinton was so eloquently speaking to was the more subtle aspects of discrimination that black people often deal with but are disregarded by whites. Really, all Clinton was saying is be mindful, there are multiple perspectives.

This idea seems to make Jim and TDF foam at the mouth and snap at imaginary flies for some reason.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say constantly oppressed by racists. The bigger issue Clinton was so eloquently speaking to was the more subtle aspects of discrimination that black people often deal with but are disregarded by whites. Really, all Clinton was saying is be mindful, there are multiple perspectives.

This idea seems to make Jim and TDF foam at the mouth and snap at imaginary flies for some reason.

"Clinton was so eloquently speaking to " Tell me, Were you feeling a tingle running down your leg ?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say constantly oppressed by racists. The bigger issue Clinton was so eloquently speaking to was the more subtle aspects of discrimination that black people often deal with but are disregarded by whites. Really, all Clinton was saying is be mindful, there are multiple perspectives.

This idea seems to make Jim and TDF foam at the mouth and snap at imaginary flies for some reason.

Here's what gets me going...I ask you a very simple question (where does Hilary get off lecturing anyone about this, when she did EVERYTHING in her power to deny the blacks the candidate they wanted in 2008...that's a simple question, and very fair given her statements. And you won't answer. Because you can't.

Everyone, except her I guess, owes it to them to make sacrifices.

"I don't know if I'd go so far as to say constantly oppressed by racists."

What a concession. We have a 2-term black President.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

What a concession. We have a 2-term black President.

Half-Black.......must have been his White Privilege that got him elected.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Jim, it is a slippery slope for you to say you have never had white privlidge on your side, just as much as it is for a person of color to tell you that you have. Unless you have lived as a minority, you will never know what life can be like when you are constantly oppressed by racists. So I would shut your pie hole about saying you had to claw your way to get to where you are today... A black man would have to claw his way a lot harder.
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It's all about personal responsibility versus excuses . I have plenty of Dominican and Jamaican friends that are doing just fine . They came from very poor and oppressed areas . They are just good honest hard-working folks who take care of their families . To a man they would agree with Jim on this
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

It's all about personal responsibility versus excuses . I have plenty of Dominican and Jamaican friends that are doing just fine . They came from very poor and oppressed areas . They are just good honest hard-working folks who take care of their families . To a man they would agree with Jim on this
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"I have plenty of Dominican and Jamaican friends that are doing just fine "


DING DING DING, we have a winner again!!

Every Sunday, I fill up my truck with gas at the local Shell, and stop in to get the paper. The family that owns the station, is from the African nation of Liberia, one of the last places on the planet you'd want to be born. Every singlke time I go in there, the husband and wife are working, all smiles. Their two kids are either studying or working. They even manage to pull their pants uo high enough so I don't have to see their underwear. They cam here with nohting, worked at the store, git some kind o ffederal loan to help them by the store. They work 7 days a week. And their kids both go to college for free.

I have spoken to this man countless times. He always asks me why anyone would claim this is an overtly racist nation, sinc ethis is the only nation on th eplanet where he could come with nothing, own a business, and give his kids a world-class education.

He has said to me, many times, that if you are black, it's better NOT to have been born here, but rather to immigrate. And not because of white people. But because of the culture embraced by too many American blacks.

His story is not unique. Every town in every state, has a similar family. And we have a black President. And still, we have Hilary asking "when will we overcome?"

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Jim, it is a slippery slope for you to say you have never had white privlidge on your side, just as much as it is for a person of color to tell you that you have. Unless you have lived as a minority, you will never know what life can be like when you are constantly oppressed by racists. So I would shut your pie hole about saying you had to claw your way to get to where you are today... A black man would have to claw his way a lot harder.
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Maybe I would have been pulle dover a few more times if I was black. So maybe that's white privildege. But ta the same time, if I was black, I woul dhave gotten a free ride (and a monthly stipend) to go to UCONN, instead of taking out loans. It works both ways.

If my family was black instead of white, and everything else was the same, there is no earthly reason to believe my life would be less fulfilling to me, or that it would have been harder.

"you will never know what life can be like when you are constantly oppressed by racists"

Who is being 'constantly oppressed by racists'? This isn't the 1950s. I reject that widespread, institutional racism exists.

"So I would shut your pie hole about saying you had to claw your way to get to where you are today"

And I would tell you to shut your pie hole about telling me to shut my pie hole. If I was black, I would've gone to UCONN for free, that is a fact based on the grades I had in high school - we joked about it at the time. Please tell me how, specifically, my life would have been harder if I was black. I can't wait to hear this...maybe i would have been pulled over more by the police. Maybe not.