Illinois teen arrested in fatal shooting at Kenosha protest, police say

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Legal process time.

you don’t think trial in the media works? ask ex officer darren wilson, the duke lacrosse players, Nick Sandman, etc...

the race baiters never learn. it’s like al sharpton is running the democratic party and the media. they’re using his exact m.o.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Electric chair time
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No, he'll get praised by the social warriors as standing up to the mobs of Antifa Biden Terrorists which is just going to activate more crazies.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Electric chair time
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I think they are doing that at the RNC tonite for a grand finale

[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I think they are doing that at the RNC tonite for a grand finale

No, Ted Nugent is going to skewer a Hillary doll with his crossbow. It's going to be great.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

No, Ted Nugent is going to skewer a Hillary doll with his crossbow. It's going to be great.

is tom cotton not a serious person? honors graduate of harvard and harvard law, then enlisted in the army and asked for the infantry. does that not indicate a man who has brains and courage and a sense of duty and integrity?
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[JohnR]

If any of you thinks this all ends peacefully, we are fast approaching the reconciliation point of no return.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you are falling for the BE VERY AFRAID of Antifa and it's the Dems message of the RNC you're being played.

You are justifying and providing cover for useful idiots.

Maybe they'll burn down (or confiscate) your home last

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

No, Ted Nugent is going to skewer a Hillary doll with his crossbow. It's going to be great.

That would be awesome.
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[Pete F.]

There were protests for BLM in all 50 states. There was destruction associated with some events.
There have always been people taking advantage of protests or dissension to steal, destroy or otherwise inappropriately behave or express themselves. Nothing new here, but now we are claiming that we have discovered who has been doing it. Where was Antifa in 1965 at the Watts riots? 67 in Detroit? 92 in LA? 1898 in Wilmington? 1863 in NYC? 1921 in West Virginia? 1863 in Richmond? 1824 in Hardscrabble and Snowtown? There have been hundreds.
Every one of those had significant destruction associated with them, some included mass murders.
If you are falling for the BE VERY AFRAID of Antifa and it's the Dems message of the RNC you're being played.

It's pretty obvious that there are issues with law enforcement in this country. There are no simple solutions.
But militarizing the police will not make it go away, it hasn't so far has it?
I have not seen any movement towards a solution by this administration other than offers to send federal officers to do something.
Just what are they going to do, run the protesters over with tanks like the CCP or gas them like Tweety in DC? It's pretty much guaranteed to escalate the dissension.

There are things that can be done and have not.

It is within the Jurisdiction of the DOJ to look into Civil Rights violations, which is what most police issues arise from. Since President Trump took office, the Justice Department has publicly announced only one pattern-or-practice investigation into a police department. Additionally, the Justice Department has another tool for working with police departments to implement large-scale reforms, but the Trump administration has rolled that back as well. For many years, the Collaborative Reform Initiative in its Office of Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) spearheaded police reform by “undertaking assessments of a law enforcement agency’s operations, providing recommendations for reform, and assisting the agency in implementing those reforms.”

Through this program, which had widespread support from police chiefs across the country, the Justice Department avoided complex and lengthy litigation by working with cities to reform policing practices. The COPS’s Office worked with cities including Las Vegas, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, and San Francisco.

In 2017, however, Sessions announced that the COPS Office would abandon this practice and discontinue the significant work that began under the Obama administration. At that time, 16 police departments across the country had signed up for the program. According to the New York Times, the “initiative was popular enough among chiefs that there was a monthslong wait to join it; now, the Justice Department has told at least one city that it must file a public records request even to see the program’s research on its police department.”
Just being vocal about doing something instead of saying "white people get killed by police too" would have done something to move towards a solution.

Power does not make you a leader, but leadership produces power.
Trump has shown himself to be incapable of leading.
But as I said in May, no civil strife would not have produced the distraction from Trump's failure on the virus, what has occurred is to his advantage and Kellyanne Conway said it out loud today.

[scottw]

does spence write headlines for cnn?

[Pete F.]

Here's some insanity for you

Aubrey Huff: “Kyle Rittenhouse is national treasure.”
Ann Coulter: “I want him as my president.”
Tucker Carlson: “How shocked are we that 17-year-olds with rifles decided they had to maintain order when no one else would?”

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Here's some insanity for you

Aubrey Huff: “Kyle Rittenhouse is national treasure.”
Ann Coulter: “I want him as my president.”
Tucker Carlson: “How shocked are we that 17-year-olds with rifles decided they had to maintain order when no one else would?”

I don't adhere to the rambles of those people you mention. IDGAF

He should never have been there. This is HIS fault and Local Gov's fault.

Local Law enforcement should not be over run by mostly peaceful protestors (a/k/a rioters)
An angry (armed) mob was running down breaking property

[Pete F.]

Tweety's re-election strategy seems to be to argue that only Donald Trump can save America from Donald Trump’s America.

It's like if I’m at a restaurant and I ask for them to send over the not yet hired manager so I can complain about the lousy service I’m getting. Confusing, right? It makes as much sense as the Republicans somehow trying to blame Biden for the mess Trump’s made of the country.

https://www.keepamericagreat.com/

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Tweety's re-election strategy seems to be to argue that only Donald Trump can save America from Donald Trump’s America.

It's like if I’m at a restaurant and I ask for them to send over the not yet hired manager so I can complain about the lousy service I’m getting. Confusing, right? It makes as much sense as the Republicans somehow trying to blame Biden for the mess Trump’s made of the country.

https://www.keepamericagreat.com/

what you fail to see through your fog of insanity, is that pre covid, most americans were better off than before trumps first day. now not all of that is due to him obviously. but as 2019 came to a close, america felt peaceful ( in terms of threats from jihadists at least) and certainly prosperous.

why wouldn’t trump remind people
of that, and warn them that biden is likely to give back some of the gains we made? for sure biden wants to raise taxes dramatically. not sure i like tax hikes when we’re not nearly recovered from the pandemic.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

what you fail to see through your fog of insanity, is that pre covid, most americans were better off than before trumps first day. now not all of that is due to him obviously. but as 2019 came to a close, america felt peaceful ( in terms of threats from jihadists at least) and certainly prosperous.

why wouldn’t trump remind people
of that, and warn them that biden is likely to give back some of the gains we made? for sure biden wants to raise taxes dramatically. not sure i like tax hikes when we’re not nearly recovered from the pandemic.
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What you fail to see is that our suffering for Trump’s failures is just beginning. We have lost more than half a year, Trillions of our treasure and 180,000+ lives, squandered by his incompetence. Not just incompetence, but incompetence in the pursuit of his personal interests over the needs of this country.
The last presidency capably brought us out of the Great Recession, that recovery lasted until what will likely be known as the Trump Depression. Trump, thanks to high deficits in his first two full years in office followed by massive federal expenditures aimed at offsetting the economic effects of the coronavirus crisis, is on pace to add more to the national debt in his first term than Obama. But I'm sure Tweety will claim that he will cut taxes if reelected.


My daughter lives in Paris, and in Europe the joke is Where's stupid? It's right between Canada and Mexico
The whole world is laughing at us

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What you fail to see is that our suffering for Trump’s failures is just beginning. We have lost more than half a year, Trillions of our treasure and 180,000+ lives, squandered by his incompetence. Not just incompetence, but incompetence in the pursuit of his personal interests over the needs of this country.
The last presidency capably brought us out of the Great Recession, that recovery lasted until what will likely be known as the Trump Depression. Trump, thanks to high deficits in his first two full years in office followed by massive federal expenditures aimed at offsetting the economic effects of the coronavirus crisis, is on pace to add more to the national debt in his first term than Obama. But I'm sure Tweety will claim that he will cut taxes if reelected.


My daughter lives in Paris, and in Europe the joke is Where's stupid? It's right between Canada and Mexico
The whole world is laughing at us

Yes, let's design all of our public policy, so that the French like us.

[Pete F.]

You think it's just the French

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You think it's just the French

Are Russia and Syria thriving more than we are? What is your point, exactly?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Are Russia and Syria thriving more than we are? What is your point, exactly?

Everyone knows that Tweety is an ineffectual joke, those guys love what he's doing to America's position in the world

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Everyone knows that Tweety is an ineffectual joke, those guys love what he's doing to America's position in the world

Another one of your conspiracy theories.

[Pete F.]

A 17 year old heard the message. He lived in Indiana. He sat in the front row of a Trump rally. He heard it all. He took it all in. He was poisoned by it. He was converted by it. He was radicalized by Trumpism the same way young men in the Middle East are radicalized by extremism.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A 17 year old heard the message. He lived in Indiana. He sat in the front row of a Trump rally. He heard it all. He took it all in. He was poisoned by it. He was converted by it. He was radicalized by Trumpism the same way young men in the Middle East are radicalized by extremism.

I want to see where a minor got an AR. There could be others liable.

Prepare for more of this.

[RickBomba]

Hang him.

Sorry, that’s a capital crime.

Fry him.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

What about the unarmed black people like Jacob Blake that aren't killed? What about the unarmed black people who are pulled over, detained, searched, unjustly convicted etc... etc... etc...

You keep trying to misuse stats to deny anything is wrong. This is what this is all about.

There are reports for that that the State and Attorney General get uploaded every few days. Every stop collects race data.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A 17 year old heard the message. He lived in Indiana. He sat in the front row of a Trump rally. He heard it all. He took it all in. He was poisoned by it. He was converted by it. He was radicalized by Trumpism the same way young men in the Middle East are radicalized by extremism.

Kinda like the Sex Offender radicalized by the other side. Huh.

Originally Posted by spence

I want to see where a minor got an AR. There could be others liable.

Prepare for more of this.

Rare point of agreement.

Originally Posted by RickBomba

Hang him.

Sorry, that’s a capital crime.

Fry him.
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No, dumbazz, jury trial, like everyone else.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

There are reports for that that the State and Attorney General get uploaded every few days. Every stop collects race data.

But does this get rolled up nationally? I didn't think this was a requirement.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

But does this get rolled up nationally? I didn't think this was a requirement.

It is a State issue and responsibility. Fed/DOJ can ask for this data as well, but it is up to states.

[TheSpecialist]

So all of you BLM supporters, is this what you are supporting? I mean lets be honest here are these people getting a point across, even the woman a protestor knows the difference , or are people getting sick of it, and saying no more....

https://www.mrcolionnoir.com/kenosha...nGHs7Dn2XFQvkw

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

So all of you BLM supporters, is this what you are supporting? I mean lets be honest here are these people getting a point across, even the woman a protestor knows the difference , or are people getting sick of it, and saying no more....

https://www.mrcolionnoir.com/kenosha...nGHs7Dn2XFQvkw

Far less then you support the illegally armed teen murdering people in the streets, or the Cliven Bundy criminals, or the criminal behavior of the huge number of people that have gone through his white house, I am sure. Likely the charlottsville crowd too. The j.a. in the white house loves all of them too.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Far less then you support the illegally armed teen murdering people in the streets, or the Cliven Bundy criminals, or the criminal behavior of the huge number of people that have gone through his white house, I am sure.
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Look at Portland death last night .. counter protesters ya ok if they weren't rolling in with Trump flags .. I dont see BLM or other protesters waving Biden Flags Socialist flags or any other agenda then having police stop killing civilians

And again separate the rioters from normal protesters..


Where else in the world do milita groups operate in support of presidents not good places


https://www.lawfareblog.com/armed-mi...eets-seriously


Dated Oct 2 2019

March 15th. 2019. Trump said: "I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad."



Hes been setting the table since then and now he'll go to Wisconsin and light the candles. Aka fuse

But hes no authoritarian

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Far less then you support the illegally armed teen murdering people in the streets, or the Cliven Bundy criminals, or the criminal behavior of the huge number of people that have gone through his white house, I am sure. Likely the charlottsville crowd too. The j.a. in the white house loves all of them too.
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His lawyer is going to pick apart any charges... He works in Kenosha as a lifeguard. He was working in Kenosha that day. He went with a friend after work to clean graffiti off of a public building. In the process of graphiti removal, they received a call for help protecting a mechanics shop owned a man who car dealership was destroyed the night before. Someone in Kenosha gave him the rifle, and according to his lawyer he is not a prohibited because it is not a Short Barreled Rifle, or sawed off shotgun, and Wisconsin is an open carry state. Every chronology of video evidence shows that this was self defense, including an interview with a reporter who was interviewing him , before he was chased, and was there when the first guy was shot.. Everything the reporter has detailed to police shows that the first guy was trying to take the rifle, for no reason other than he thought he was a tough guy who could get one over on a younger person.

Mark this post, that kid is getting off, with at most a misdemeanor

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

His lawyer is going to pick apart any charges... He works in Kenosha as a lifeguard. He was working in Kenosha that day. He went with a friend after work to clean graffiti off of a public building. In the process of graphiti removal, they received a call for help protecting a mechanics shop owned a man who car dealership was destroyed the night before. Someone in Kenosha gave him the rifle, and according to his lawyer he is not a prohibited because it is not a Short Barreled Rifle, or sawed off shotgun, and Wisconsin is an open carry state. Every chronology of video evidence shows that this was self defense, including an interview with a reporter who was interviewing him , before he was chased, and was there when the first guy was shot.. Everything the reporter has detailed to police shows that the first guy was trying to take the rifle, for no reason other than he thought he was a tough guy who could get one over on a younger person.

Mark this post, that kid is getting off, with at most a misdemeanor

I have seen all this info. If it's all true, you may well be right. At a minimum, once again, this event was more complicated than the leftist mob spun it as. Once again, the left went nuts without having the facts, and once again, looks like they have egg on their faces. They never learn to wait for the facts, they are not capable of waiting for the facts, not if there's political capital to gain.