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[Nebe]

diverse in what way? Income range of evangelical tea party members ?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

diverse in what way? Income range of evangelical tea party members ?
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Diverse as in "diverse." Yea, that includes evangelicals. And small business owners, and Tea Partiers, and bigger businesses, and Constitutionalists, and small government types, and libertarians, and some rich folks, and many average folks.

I understand that you think "freedom" is a buzzword of fools. I suspect that Bernie supporters would agree with you. Maybe the range of diversity for either Cruz or Sanders can be compressed into "freedom" fools on the one hand, and socialist lap dogs on the other.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

The US takes in around 100,000 refugees a year already and many are Muslim. Those potentially coming from Syria don't get to choose which country they're sent to and go through a long vetting process. If your intent was to harm America it wouldn't be a very prudent path to take.

What really scares the hell out of me is that the top two GOP candidates are calling for the US to scrutinize people because of their religion.

Originally Posted by spence

Great, let's put all the Muslim police, business professionals, military and doctors under surveillance...it's about the religion right?

Two of these guys appear to be known criminals both in Brussles. Issues here run much deeper than your whitewashing Islam as the problem.

Funny how I don't hear the intelligence community or law enforcement calling for religious bigotry, they want cooperation and intelligence.

your opinion of what is or is not prudent is of no concern of these terrorists, they flew planes into buildings but you are scared of candidates suggesting preventative measures. This is America, when threatened, we defend, that is what we do, this president won't go on offense apparently, he won't even say the words radical Islamic.

There is smart and then there is stupid


did you read about this poor guy? Members of Islam want to kill you too
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...-happy-easter/

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

your opinion of what is or is not prudent is of no concern of these terrorists, they flew planes into buildings but you are scared of candidates suggesting preventative measures. This is America, when threatened, we defend, that is what we do, this president won't go on offense apparently, he won't even say the words radical Islamic.

Nobody, including Obama, is stating we don't defend ourselves. The difference is simply that Obama's policy has an appreciation for the real root-cause drivers of the terror problem. A big piece of this is how disillusionment feeds the radicalization engine.

ISIS was begging the US to invade a few years ago. Had we done so the situation today would likely be 100x worse than it is. There's a reason we're not carpet bombing as Ted Cruz promises to do, because it would turn the entire population against us leave millions without any infrastructure in which to live.

The big pieces of this puzzle have been slowly moving in place for a century, there's no simple or quick solution. I'd note that over the past year ISIS leadership and their territory are both shrinking...

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Nobody, including Obama, is stating we don't defend ourselves. The difference is simply that Obama's policy has an appreciation for the real root-cause drivers of the terror problem. A big piece of this is how disillusionment feeds the radicalization engine.

ISIS was begging the US to invade a few years ago. Had we done so the situation today would likely be 100x worse than it is. There's a reason we're not carpet bombing as Ted Cruz promises to do, because it would turn the entire population against us leave millions without any infrastructure in which to live.

The big pieces of this puzzle have been slowly moving in place for a century, there's no simple or quick solution. I'd note that over the past year ISIS leadership and their territory are both shrinking...

A result of this thoughtful approach is the refugee crisis and thousands slaughtered . Once again you blindly follow the script put fourth by an appeaser not a leader .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Nobody, including Obama, is stating we don't defend ourselves. The difference is simply that Obama's policy has an appreciation for the real root-cause drivers of the terror problem.

"The difference is simply that Obama's policy has an appreciation for the real root-cause drivers of the terror problem"

And how is Obama's policy working out? Is the Middle East more stable, or less stable, than it was 7 years ago?

"I'd note that over the past year ISIS leadership and their territory are both shrinking"

And I'm certain that comes as great comfort to the families of the victims in Belgium and France.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And how is Obama's policy working out? Is the Middle East more stable, or less stable, than it was 7 years ago?

I'm not sure your expectations are very realistic.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm not sure your expectations are very realistic.

Oh, so if I expect him not to give away all the gains provided by The Surge, if I ask him just to maintain the status quo, that's asking too much. Turns out you are right, that would be asking way too much of this idiot.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm not sure your expectations are very realistic.

So you are conceding (without saying it of course) that the Middle East is worse off now, than before the Messiah was coronated?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm not sure your expectations are very realistic.

We really can't lower the bar anymore Spence .
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

The difference is simply that Obama's policy has an appreciation for the real root-cause drivers of the terror problem. A big piece of this is how disillusionment feeds the radicalization engine.

"So, we blame ourselves in order to remain blameless. Safer to blame our own societies and socioeconomic conditions than to blame the religious and cultural concepts with which terrorists poison their own minds."

http://www.politico.eu/article/bruss...airport-metro/

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

"So, we blame ourselves in order to remain blameless. Safer to blame our own societies and socioeconomic conditions than to blame the religious and cultural concepts with which terrorists poison their own minds."

http://www.politico.eu/article/bruss...airport-metro/

To cherry pick one issue out the the many reasons that extremist find followers is a cop out for both sides.. there is a religious component and societies and socioeconomic conditions in the development of terrorism

one of the Belgium guys went from from barkeeper to suicide bomber
There is a seeming disconnect between the ownership by Muslims - whose religion forbids the use of alcohol and tobacco - of a bar, where drugs were being dealt, http://www.reuters.com/article/us-fr...0T52RH20151117

Its not easy to find One flea on a big hairy dog But when you do look harder you'll find others

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

To cherry pick one issue out the the many reasons that extremist find followers is a cop out for both sides..

who did that?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

diverse in what way? Income range of evangelical tea party members ?
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Bigot
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