Gun-Trained Teacher Accidentally Shoots Gun In Calif. High School Classroom

[Pete F.]

I understand emotionally how one can say if there were only more people with guns the problem would be cured. However i think if you do a "cost benefit" analysis of the situation wherein 10 of the 50 million school age children are killed by guns in schools and we are going to solve it by putting armed guards in all 125,000 schools in the USA.
Let's see if we have more than 10 die from Negligent discharge or other associated causes.
Now if you want to talk about the children killed or injured by guns outside of school, I could only hope that you are not convinced that having more guns would solve that also.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I understand emotionally how one can say if there were only more people with guns the problem would be cured.

I'm pretty sure no one has ever said this....

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

I'm pretty sure no one has ever said this....

Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I never said “give teachers guns” like was stated on Fake News @CNN & @NBC. What I said was to look at the possibility of giving “concealed guns to gun adept teachers with military or special training experience - only the best. 20% of teachers, a lot, would now be able to
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I never said “give teachers guns” like was stated on Fake News @CNN & @NBC. What I said was to look at the possibility of giving “concealed guns to gun adept teachers with military or special training experience - only the best. 20% of teachers, a lot, would now be able to
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which has no resemblance to what you stated

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

which has no resemblance to what you stated

I guess 20% is equal or less than are currently in schools or is it just an alternative fact
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[wdmso]

A 13-year-old girl in Mississippi has died after allegedly being shot by her nine-year-old brother over a video game, police say.

"He's just nine," Monroe County Sheriff Cecil Cantrell told the Clarion Ledger.

"I assume he's seen this on video games or TV. I don't know if he knew exactly what this would do. I can't answer that. I do know it's a tragedy."


he knew were the gun was an knew how to use it , but lets blame Tv and Video games ... when access is the issue

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

A 13-year-old girl in Mississippi has died after allegedly being shot by her nine-year-old brother over a video game, police say.

"He's just nine," Monroe County Sheriff Cecil Cantrell told the Clarion Ledger.

"I assume he's seen this on video games or TV. I don't know if he knew exactly what this would do. I can't answer that. I do know it's a tragedy."


he knew were the gun was an knew how to use it , but lets blame Tv and Video games ... when access is the issue

so explain to everyone how you would have prevented this tragedy

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

so explain to everyone how you would have prevented this tragedy

This is current day liberalism, this is almost all that it is. It's not about solving problems by addressing the root cause, it's about finding a boogeyman to rally against, and creating the illusion that everyone who isn't on the side of the liberals, is in bed with the boogeyman..it's about creating divisiveness, that's all it is.

Want secure borders? You must by a xenophobe.
Opposed to Black Lives Matter? You are a racist.
Think Christian bakers have constitutional rights? You are a homophobe.
Think unborn babies are precious? You are a sexist who hates women.
Think Islamic jihadists are an issue? You are an Islamophobe.
Think schools should not be promoting liberal rallies during school time, but instead should be, I don't know, teaching? You don't care about dead kids. Shame on you Scott. Shame on you.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

This is current day liberalism, this is almost all that it is. It's not about solving problems by addressing the root cause, it's about finding a boogeyman to rally against, and creating the illusion that everyone who isn't on the side of the liberals, is in bed with the boogeyman..it's about creating divisiveness, that's all it is.

Want secure borders? You must by a xenophobe.
Opposed to Black Lives Matter? You are a racist.
Think Christian bakers have constitutional rights? You are a homophobe.
Think unborn babies are precious? You are a sexist who hates women.
Think Islamic jihadists are an issue? You are an Islamophobe.
Think schools should not be promoting liberal rallies during school time, but instead should be, I don't know, teaching? You don't care about dead kids. Shame on you Scott. Shame on you.

It's not about solving problems by addressing the root cause,

thats funny you cant even agree on what the root cause is ,,, But you just puke up every conservative talking point ,,, as if it was 2nd nature .. you must wear flip flops and tinfoil hats daily

Try thinking for yourself you might like it

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

It's not about solving problems by addressing the root cause,

thats funny you cant even agree on what the root cause is ,,, But you just puke up every conservative talking point ,,, as if it was 2nd nature .. you must wear flip flops and tinfoil hats daily

Try thinking for yourself you might like it

"thats funny you cant even agree on what the root cause is "

Give me a major issue, I'll tell you what the root cause is?

Gun violence causes - stupid parents, single parents, no parents, the internet, violence in the entertainment industry, as well as stupidly easy access to bump stocks and high capacity magazines. We have too many weapons of mass murder, but we also have a cultural problem.

"Try thinking for yourself you might like it"

I do. There are major issues on which I think liberals are right (death penalty, gay marriage, high capacity magazines). If I'm a conservative parrot, why would I feel that way?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

so explain to everyone how you would have prevented this tragedy

not had a loaded gun where a 9 year could get it .. or is that to difficult to understand

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

not had a loaded gun where a 9 year could get it .. or is that to difficult to understand

so how would you go about that in this situation?

[scottw]

I'm putting you in charge...how are you..Wayne...going to ensure that the parent(s) of this boy (and remember, this is Mississippi..THOSE people are really backward and stupid...it's the south) don't have a loaded gun in their house that he can access?

[Sea Dangles]

Answer the question and stop deflecting.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Answer the question and stop deflecting.
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whats your answer to the same question ? Scott asked me since you dipped your toe into the water

[The Dad Fisherman]

He's working on it, and it's going to be epic.

Probably has fricken sharks with laser beams on their heads.
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[wdmso]

you guys are to funny asking for solutions to a problem you insist doesn't exist .. and then try to sell yourselves a honest brokers in the conversation.. who's only response to anything gun is "Shall not infringe"

but Mississippi passes strictest abortion law.. more protection for the un born then the living but here are their fire arm requirements

long guns handguns
Background checks required for private sales? No No
Firearm registration? No No
Assault weapon law? No No
Owner license required? No No Carry permits required? No No

Change all these to yes .... but we all know nothing 100% when you start with zero expectations you have poor results

Mississippi 4th in U.S. gun deaths: must be TV and Video games and nothing to do with household gun ownership rate of 54.3

The state with the highest per capita gun death rate in 2016 was Alaska, followed by Alabama. Each of these states has extremely lax gun violence prevention laws as well as a higher rate of gun ownership, VPC said. The state with the lowest gun death rate in the nation was Massachusetts, followed by New York. Each of these states has strong gun violence prevention laws and a lower rate of gun ownership,

Damn those pesky statistics showing laws help to reduce gun deaths not eliminate guns deaths ...

Scott you have my answer on how to prevention shooting deaths in that state

Do you have a solution? or do you think there is no problem to start with

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

but Mississippi passes strictest abortion law.. more protection for the un born then the living but here are their fire arm requirements

long guns handguns
Background checks required for private sales? No No
Firearm registration? No No
Assault weapon law? No No
Owner license required? No No Carry permits required? No No

Mississippi 4th in U.S. gun deaths: must be TV and Video games and nothing to do with household gun ownership rate of 54.3

Mississippi is #5 on the list of highest unemployment, #2 on Highest Obesity, #2 on Welfare and #6 on the worst states for Overall Mental Health

Maybe if these Crazy Fat %#!@ stopped s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g off the government teat and got a job they wouldn't be shooting each other. (somewhere an SJW's kitten just exploded)

I know this was my usual tongue in cheek sarcasm but it does speak to maybe a quality of life issue being an underlying factor as well. But we can't discuss that.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

you guys are to funny asking for solutions to a problem you insist doesn't exist .. and then try to sell yourselves a honest brokers in the conversation.. who's only response to anything gun is "Shall not infringe"

but Mississippi passes strictest abortion law.. more protection for the un born then the living but here are their fire arm requirements

long guns handguns
Background checks required for private sales? No No
Firearm registration? No No
Assault weapon law? No No
Owner license required? No No Carry permits required? No No

Change all these to yes .... but we all know nothing 100% when you start with zero expectations you have poor results

Mississippi 4th in U.S. gun deaths: must be TV and Video games and nothing to do with household gun ownership rate of 54.3

The state with the highest per capita gun death rate in 2016 was Alaska, followed by Alabama. Each of these states has extremely lax gun violence prevention laws as well as a higher rate of gun ownership, VPC said. The state with the lowest gun death rate in the nation was Massachusetts, followed by New York. Each of these states has strong gun violence prevention laws and a lower rate of gun ownership,

Damn those pesky statistics showing laws help to reduce gun deaths not eliminate guns deaths ...

Scott you have my answer on how to prevention shooting deaths in that state

Do you have a solution? or do you think there is no problem to start with

No Wayne, you always insist that the honest people that have done nothing wrong give stuff up.

Funny how if you remove firearms the rate of death or injury by firearm goes down. If you remove cars the accident rate goes down too. Remove cell phones and I might not have had to dodge a teen with a car and an iphone the other day.

Now take your stats and do murders by firearm. All your stats include suicide - which is by far thew highest cause of gun deaths.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

All your stats include suicide - which is by far thew highest cause of gun deaths.

Are you suggesting that there is politically motivated manipulation taking place? Get out of here...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

you guys are to funny asking for solutions to a problem you insist doesn't exist when has anyone suggested that a problem does not exist? .. and then try to sell yourselves a honest brokers in the conversation.. who's only response to anything gun is "Shall not infringe" when was the last time anyone responded this way?

but Mississippi passes strictest abortion law.. more protection for the un born then the living but here are their fire arm requirements this is idiotic...can we start referring to leftists and the un dead?
it fits if you think about it

long guns handguns
Background checks required for private sales? No No
Firearm registration? No No
Assault weapon law? No No
Owner license required? No No Carry permits required? No No

Change all these to yes .... but we all know nothing 100% when you start with zero expectations you have poor results

Mississippi 4th in U.S. gun deaths you realize that someone has to be ..right?: must be TV and Video games and nothing to do with household gun ownership rate of 54.3 "gun deaths"... question..do you think that if you are shot you have a better chance of getting to a good hospital quickly and getting good treatment if you are in Mississippi or Massachusetts?"

The state with the highest per capita gun death rate in 2016 was Alaska, followed by Alabama. Each of these states has extremely lax gun violence prevention what exactly is a "gun violence prevention law"laws as well as a higher rate of gun ownership, VPC said. The state with the lowest gun death rate in the nation was Massachusetts, followed by New York.I'd repeat what I mentioned above Each of these states has strong gun violence prevention laws and a lower rate of gun ownership,

Damn those pesky statistics showing laws help to reduce gun deaths not eliminate guns deaths ... Maryland has the third or 4th strictest gun laws in the country, just had a school shooting and is home to the most dangerous city in america according to USA today recently...

Scott you have my answer on how to prevention shooting deaths in that state

Do you have a solution? or do you think there is no problem to start with

you completely ignored the question again, which simply was...what would you do...since YOU brought it up...that would prevent this little boy from losing his mind and getting a gun and shooting his sister....he could have thrown her out a window....would your "solution" be more restrictive access to windows for everyone in Mississippi?

you listed the same old thing...none of which addressed or would cure or "solve" the boy's anger or the negligence of the parent(s)

I'm curious to know what your "so my 1st idea is un expectable" may be...1st ideas and inclinations are usually the best...

[JohnR]

BTW Wayne, I'm all for requiring a safe storage solution (gun safe for example).

It is required in some place and just makes sense.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

BTW Wayne, I'm all for requiring a safe storage solution (gun safe for example).

It is required in some place and just makes sense.

it does make sense...how do you enforce this?

[Sea Dangles]

Good answer
Critical thinker
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[Pete F.]

Jim we all do things because we are pressured by society.
The groups you join reward you for correct behavior.
We as a society are a group and for hundreds of years have rewarded people for good behavior.
It’s important to our society that people fit into certain norms.
Laws are the rules that guide us down the road, not perfectly but it has worked for longer than other self guided governments. I’d like to see it continue
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Jim we all do things because we are pressured by society.
The groups you join reward you for correct behavior.
We as a society are a group and for hundreds of years have rewarded people for good behavior.
It’s important to our society that people fit into certain norms.
Laws are the rules that guide us down the road, not perfectly but it has worked for longer than other self guided governments. I’d like to see it continue
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there is so much here...maybe a weekend project

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Jim we all do things because we are pressured by society.
The groups you join reward you for correct behavior.
We as a society are a group and for hundreds of years have rewarded people for good behavior.
It’s important to our society that people fit into certain norms.
Laws are the rules that guide us down the road, not perfectly but it has worked for longer than other self guided governments. I’d like to see it continue
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I agree with everything you said. But I will repeat my question...aren't there already laws (reckless endangerment, maybe?) which make it illegal to leave guns around where children can get them?

Some laws are effective (seat belt laws, as Spence mentioned, God knows how many lives they save), Some laws, for reasons I do not pretend to know, are not as effective.

So what law would you pass, which doesn't already exist, to prevent these things...and how would you enforce it?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So what law would you pass, which doesn't already exist, to prevent these things...and how would you enforce it?

clearly...you could start by banning uneducated white trash from owning any kind of firearm...that would go a long in solving many of the country's problems....enforce it with the death penalty...which would also serve as a deterrent...

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

clearly...you could start by banning uneducated white trash from owning any kind of firearm...that would go a long in solving many of the country's problems....enforce it with the death penalty...which would also serve as a deterrent...

I'm sure there are still a lot of southerners around who administered those literacy tests to Blacks. Maybe they can help.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I'm sure there are still a lot of southerners around who administered those literacy tests to Blacks. Maybe they can help.

Since you brought up the south, blacks, in a discussion about guns and the NRA...

How many high school students who walked out last week, how many of the kids on CNN every night calling for gun control, and how many of their history teachers...are aware of the fact that the NRA helped blacks who lived in the segregated south, by arming them after the racists took their guns? I bet those history teachers know when Stalin and Mao were born, but I bet they don't know that little historical tidbit.