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Old 08-13-2019, 11:33 AM   #31
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I've almost been hit more than a few time by a hole sailboats while drifting. This IS sad, and I have no idea of the details but a lot of those f'ers always think they have the ROW... and the do not. When under power I ALWAYS give them a wide berth. I had one jackass bearing down on me while IN THE CABIN ON HIS PHONE until I laid on the horn

ONCE I had an issue with another powerboater.
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You do realize that while drifting you are still "under way" and subject to all of the rules of the road?

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Old 08-13-2019, 11:38 AM   #32
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If he was sailing and not using his motor and you where drifting is there any case he would have the right of way? That wouldn't seem right.
Yes, if you were drifting on a course that would cause a collision he would have the ROW.

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Old 08-13-2019, 11:41 AM   #33
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No. Once he turns on his motor, he is the same class vessel. (only case I could see is if this confrontation took place in very narrow channel, but the right of way would not be dictated by vessel type.)
That is simply not true, Yes if he is under power then he is treated as a power boat, but that doesn't change any of the other rues of the road. So for example if you were drifting down on his port side he has the ROW and you have to alter your course to avoid him.

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Old 08-13-2019, 02:30 PM   #34
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Freak, I would be glad to arrange getting you out sometime so you would better understand what a competent sailor can and cant do....


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That is simply not true, Yes if he is under power then he is treated as a power boat, but that doesn't change any of the other rues of the road. So for example if you were drifting down on his port side he has the ROW and you have to alter your course to avoid him.
Yeah, I kind of mixed up the two questions/posts and was assuming sailboat under power. My caveat was that under power, his simply having a mast to use under sail is not the reason to award right of way. And all other rules of the road apply. (and drifting is different from having lost power....)

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if you are drifting for fluke you have to realize that the average blow boater has no idea what you are doing. 50% of people are dumber than you. And the other half are even dumber 😂
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Old 08-13-2019, 03:03 PM   #37
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i'm in. as long as I don't have to dress up
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You do realize that while drifting you are still "under way" and subject to all of the rules of the road?
And you DO realize according to COLREGS a sailboat SHOULD ALWAYS keep out of the way of ANY boat:
Not under command,
Restricted in its ability to maneuver,
Engaged in fishing

A boat drifting while fishing satisfied TWO of those conditions
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:32 AM   #40
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And you DO realize according to COLREGS a sailboat SHOULD ALWAYS keep out of the way of ANY boat:
Not under command,
Restricted in its ability to maneuver,
Engaged in fishing

A boat drifting while fishing satisfied TWO of those conditions
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Go look up the definition of those three terms and you'll see that a powerboat drifting along does not meet any of the definitions. "not under command" means disabled and unable to manuver. "restricted in its ability to maneuver" doesn't apply to any boat that has power and can in fact maneuver. And "engaged in fishing" refers to boats fishing with mobile gear extending off the rear of the boat, such as nets, dredges, etc. Its specifically doesn't apply to fishing poles.

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This story is exactly why I idle my motor the entire time I am drifting for fluke. Many times I have to set the rod in the holder, throw the boat in gear and move. to get out of the way of someone either not paying attention or just being overly aggressive. These A hole boaters are the same idiots flying over the bridges at 70 mph zig zagging through traffic in their full size pick up trucks. I don't trust their driving on the road, so I don't expect them to be any safer on the water.
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Go look up the definition of those three terms and you'll see that a powerboat drifting along does not meet any of the definitions. "not under command" means disabled and unable to manuver. "restricted in its ability to maneuver" doesn't apply to any boat that has power and can in fact maneuver. And "engaged in fishing" refers to boats fishing with mobile gear extending off the rear of the boat, such as nets, dredges, etc. Its specifically doesn't apply to fishing poles.

It saddens me... you are correct. I'm cuious though how the use of a drift sock would be interpreted as it does indeed restrict the ability to move...

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Lol! Got that ruler made yet?
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It saddens me... you are correct. I'm cuious though how the use of a drift sock would be interpreted as it does indeed restrict the ability to move...

The object is to avoid the collisions - not be so dang obstinate and argue REGS after the fact ; )

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Go look up the definition of those three terms and you'll see that a powerboat drifting along does not meet any of the definitions. "not under command" means disabled and unable to manuver. "restricted in its ability to maneuver" doesn't apply to any boat that has power and can in fact maneuver. And "engaged in fishing" refers to boats fishing with mobile gear extending off the rear of the boat, such as nets, dredges, etc. Its specifically doesn't apply to fishing poles.
But the "engaged in fishing" is so often abused by the commercial fleet I almost applaud when they get more regs slapped on them....

Case in point: http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...ad.php?t=73637

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Back on topic;

Investigation continues, but multiple reports have the power boat striking the catamaran.....

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But the "engaged in fishing" is so often abused by the commercial fleet I almost applaud when they get more regs slapped on them....

Case in point: http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...ad.php?t=73637
The engaged in fishing exception to the normal ROW rules doesn't apply in the case of when one of the vessels is anchored. That incident was clearly the fault of the captain of the dragger.

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Back on topic;

Investigation continues, but multiple reports have the power boat striking the catamaran.....
If you heard the captain of the boat that struck the sailboat report to the coast guard the initial distress call, you could tell he was #^&#^&#^&#^&ting his pants. Cracking voice. Stuttering. Reluctant, but doing the right thing.
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