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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

IMO we have been sliding down that slope for quite a while and some of these control freaks have been coming up with more and more all the time.

Same with me, don't agree with it or any forcing, shaming, cancelling, firing or any other tactics. More people need to speak out against this crap.

And If my position on liberty is one that has Mike making a statement about not knowing me and that is sad, then so be it.

Why should I or your company have to pay more for insurance because you won't take something that will prevent you from getting sick? Also, if you can get people in our company sick bc you refuse to take a vaccine, why should we allow you to come in and infect us?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Why should I or your company have to pay more for insurance because you won't take something that will prevent you from getting sick?

Why should I pay more for my health insurance because other people won’t take care of their health?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

Why should I pay more for my health insurance because other people won’t take care of their health?
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That's the age old question and most large employers have decided that the risk should be spread amongst the larger group. If you don't believe in insurance you can opt out. However if someone is going to put themselves at risk for higher claims due to their not getting a vaccine then they should be charged a surcharge. Just as I think smokers or someone who is morbidly obese should be charged a surcharge- or non-smokers or people who are not morbidly obese should be given a discount.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

That's the age old question and most large employers have decided that the risk should be spread amongst the larger group. If you don't believe in insurance you can opt out. However if someone is going to put themselves at risk for higher claims due to their not getting a vaccine then they should be charged a surcharge.

Just as I think smokers or someone who is morbidly obese should be charged a surcharge- or non-smokers or people who are not morbidly obese should be given a discount.
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you just argued against obamacare....morbidly obese and smokers and every other person that has spent decades destroying their health pay exactly what a healthy person pays and probably even less when you include other factors...

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

you just argued against obamacare....morbidly obese and smokers and every other person that has spent decades destroying their health pay exactly what a healthy person pays and probably even less when you include other factors...

I argued against all insurance and that they should charge different rates for smokers and people with morbid obesity
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I argued against all insurance and that they should charge different rates for smokers and people with morbid obesity
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any other exceptions? or just those? what about the milk crate challenge?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

any other exceptions? or just those? what about the milk crate challenge?

A few drinks on the weekend, surcharge
You drive a motorcycle, surcharge
You like to rock climb, surcharge
3 speeding tickets, surcharge
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Also, if you can get people in our company sick bc you refuse to take a vaccine, why should we allow you to come in and infect us?

Statistically I believe if you are vaccinated and properly masked you are unlikely to get it and highly unlikely to end up in the hospital or dead particularly if you are healthy….

So you are assuming someone will just walk in and infect you…it’s a little paranoid
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

Statistically I believe if you are vaccinated and properly masked you are unlikely to get it and highly unlikely to end up in the hospital or dead particularly if you are healthy….

So you are assuming someone will just walk in and infect you…it’s a little paranoid
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Correct being vaccinated should protect me from a serious enough case to hospitalize me. It's not paranoid to not want to be near people who are unvaccinated - it's common sense.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

It's not paranoid to not want to be near people who are unvaccinated.

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yes it is....

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Why should I or your company have to pay more for insurance because you won't take something that will prevent you from getting sick? Also, if you can get people in our company sick bc you refuse to take a vaccine, why should we allow you to come in and infect us?

If it prevents you from getting sick, why are you worried that an unvaccinated person will infect you. You’re vaccinated, no worries
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

If it prevents you from getting sick, why are you worried that an unvaccinated person will infect you. You’re vaccinated, no worries
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I'm not sure if you realize that I can still get the virus
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[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I'm not sure if you realize that I can still get the virus
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And pass it to others.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I'm not sure if you realize that I can still get the virus
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Well aware, but you said you don’t get sick, so what’s the problem.

This virus isn’t going away for a long time. If the vaccine doesn’t stop anybody from getting it, then even if everybody is vaccinated, it is still going to propagate through society.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Well aware, but you said you don’t get sick, so what’s the problem.

This virus isn’t going away for a long time. If the vaccine doesn’t stop anybody from getting it, then even if everybody is vaccinated, it is still going to propagate through society.
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Not necessarily. The more virus in the population increases the chances for more deadly mutations.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Not necessarily. The more virus in the population increases the chances for more deadly mutations.

Didn’t we just establish that the vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting the virus? So it shouldn’t be shrinking that footprint.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Didn’t we just establish that the vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting the virus? So it shouldn’t be shrinking that footprint.
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The vaccine has shown to reduce the amount of virus in the population even if it's not 100%.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Well aware, but you said you don’t get sick, so what’s the problem.

This virus isn’t going away for a long time. If the vaccine doesn’t stop anybody from getting it, then even if everybody is vaccinated, it is still going to propagate through society.
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I don't think I ever said that I or someone else won't get sick. If you are vaccinated and get sick you're less likely to get seriously feel from it. We're lucky with the Delta variant that if you're vaccinated you're less likely to be seriously ill. We don't know what will happen with the next variant.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I don't think I ever said that I or someone else won't get sick. If you are vaccinated and get sick you're less likely to get seriously feel from it. We're lucky with the Delta variant that if you're vaccinated you're less likely to be seriously ill. We don't know what will happen with the next variant.
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I read that there will be a variant soon that will be resistant to the vaccine...who will you get mad at then?