WTF

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Well aware, but you said you don’t get sick, so what’s the problem.

This virus isn’t going away for a long time. If the vaccine doesn’t stop anybody from getting it, then even if everybody is vaccinated, it is still going to propagate through society.
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Not necessarily. The more virus in the population increases the chances for more deadly mutations.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Not necessarily. The more virus in the population increases the chances for more deadly mutations.

Didn’t we just establish that the vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting the virus? So it shouldn’t be shrinking that footprint.
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Didn’t we just establish that the vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting the virus? So it shouldn’t be shrinking that footprint.
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The vaccine has shown to reduce the amount of virus in the population even if it's not 100%.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

The vaccine has shown to reduce the amount of virus in the population even if it's not 100%.

the most vaccinated place on earth...

[Got Stripers]

FL and it’s governor are calling you, it’s where you can be free from government overreach and die under your own terms.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

FL and it’s governor are calling you, it’s where you can be free from government overreach and die under your own terms.

planning to head down in November 99.7926% of Florida residents have not died from covid if my math is correct....I'm healthy, vaccinated and I wear a N95 mask in places where it seems appropriate, I just believe that people are responsible to make their own decisions regarding some of these things and that there is a lot of overreach... which makes me an "anti-vaxxer" by the latest revision of definitions to suit some people....

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

the most vaccinated place on earth...

Meanwhile in Israel, healthcare providers are continuing their rapid rollout of vaccine booster shots, after the third doses were approved for the entire population over 12. As of Sunday evening, 2,102,426 Israelis — close to 23% of the population — had received a third shot.
Guess they’re doing it for fun
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Meanwhile in Israel, healthcare providers are continuing their rapid rollout of vaccine booster shots, after the third doses were approved for the entire population over 12. As of Sunday evening, 2,102,426 Israelis — close to 23% of the population — had received a third shot.
Guess they’re doing it for fun
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most vaccinated state in the country...be safe up there

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Meanwhile in Israel, healthcare providers are continuing their rapid rollout of vaccine booster shots, after the third doses were approved for the entire population over 12. As of Sunday evening, 2,102,426 Israelis — close to 23% of the population — had received a third shot.
Guess they’re doing it for fun
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And it is a fact that the unvaccinated with natural immunity there are 13 times less likely to get the variant than the vaccinated.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

And it is a fact that the unvaccinated with natural immunity there are 13 times less likely to get the variant than the vaccinated.
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That assumes you survived getting the virus in the first place and hopefully didn’t infect or kill others in the process. The issue is the more this virus has a chance to evolve into the next more deadly variant, the more people die and it is the large unvaccinated population in the world and the US which is allowing it to happen. This latest variant has proven to be an issue for the young who may not have had issues with the initial virus, which again highlights the need to get more vaccinated.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

And it is a fact that the unvaccinated with natural immunity there are 13 times less likely to get the variant than the vaccinated.
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The group of unvaccinated persons are truly survivors of their first infection, this means that many of the weak and problematic health cases have died during their first infection and are no longer present in that group. If Covid has a mortality of 1.5%, then this subgroup is 240 cases for the 16000 large group. However: all those cases of weak and problematic health who likely die from an unprotected infection are still present in the group of SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees. So a selection was done where the most vulnerable persons were taken out of the unvaccinated group (death), but that selection is not done in the vaccinated group simply because it is not possible to predict at forehand who will die from an unprotected Covid infection. Although the groups are finally selected on equal risk factors, the above observation will always introduce a huge statistical bias.

I am quite sure that the group of cases found in the 'vaccine' group are largely those persons who would have died from an unprotected Covid infection. Because those persons are by definition not present in the unvaccinated group (they died during the first infection) you can explain the number of cases in both groups precisely by the above described mechanism. The conclusion then is that the found cases have nothing to do with 'better resistance due to an earlier infection'.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

And it is a fact that the unvaccinated with natural immunity there are 13 times less likely to get the variant than the vaccinated.
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I don't think this is true, Bruce.

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Originally Posted by scottw

the most vaccinated place on earth...

I think they wrote this for you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...psons-paradox/

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I think they wrote this for you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...psons-paradox/

are you suggesting I don't think the vaccines work? I'm not paying wapo to read their article...I got vaccinated.... and not because I think they don't work...

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

are you suggesting I don't think the vaccines work? I'm not paying wapo to read their article...I got vaccinated.... and not because I think they don't work...

Keep up please.