WTF

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

the most vaccinated place on earth...

Meanwhile in Israel, healthcare providers are continuing their rapid rollout of vaccine booster shots, after the third doses were approved for the entire population over 12. As of Sunday evening, 2,102,426 Israelis — close to 23% of the population — had received a third shot.
Guess they’re doing it for fun
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Meanwhile in Israel, healthcare providers are continuing their rapid rollout of vaccine booster shots, after the third doses were approved for the entire population over 12. As of Sunday evening, 2,102,426 Israelis — close to 23% of the population — had received a third shot.
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most vaccinated state in the country...be safe up there

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Meanwhile in Israel, healthcare providers are continuing their rapid rollout of vaccine booster shots, after the third doses were approved for the entire population over 12. As of Sunday evening, 2,102,426 Israelis — close to 23% of the population — had received a third shot.
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And it is a fact that the unvaccinated with natural immunity there are 13 times less likely to get the variant than the vaccinated.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

And it is a fact that the unvaccinated with natural immunity there are 13 times less likely to get the variant than the vaccinated.
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That assumes you survived getting the virus in the first place and hopefully didn’t infect or kill others in the process. The issue is the more this virus has a chance to evolve into the next more deadly variant, the more people die and it is the large unvaccinated population in the world and the US which is allowing it to happen. This latest variant has proven to be an issue for the young who may not have had issues with the initial virus, which again highlights the need to get more vaccinated.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

That assumes you survived getting the virus

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odds are pretty good...according to Johns Hopkins University’s mortality data as of Aug 6... 98.3% of people in the US who have gotten covid survived, we know that there were a lot of "covid deaths" from car accidents and stuff and that there are probably lots of unreported covid cases that would bring that number even higher...you sound as though 98.3% have died after getting it...very odd

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

odds are pretty good...according to Johns Hopkins University’s mortality data as of Aug 6... 98.3% of people in the US who have gotten covid survived, we know that there were a lot of "covid deaths" from car accidents and stuff and that there are probably lots of unreported covid cases that would bring that number even higher...you sound as though 98.3% have died after getting it...very odd

Boy how you can twist a post into something I didn’t say, doesn’t survive mean the group Bruce refers to lived, dahhh. Getting it and surviving doesn’t make you immune to the next variation and studies now show long term effects from getting covid are common, personally I’d rather be vaccinated once, twice and a third time rather than rolling the dice, which is exactly what you do if you don’t get vaccinated.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

And it is a fact that the unvaccinated with natural immunity there are 13 times less likely to get the variant than the vaccinated.
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The group of unvaccinated persons are truly survivors of their first infection, this means that many of the weak and problematic health cases have died during their first infection and are no longer present in that group. If Covid has a mortality of 1.5%, then this subgroup is 240 cases for the 16000 large group. However: all those cases of weak and problematic health who likely die from an unprotected infection are still present in the group of SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees. So a selection was done where the most vulnerable persons were taken out of the unvaccinated group (death), but that selection is not done in the vaccinated group simply because it is not possible to predict at forehand who will die from an unprotected Covid infection. Although the groups are finally selected on equal risk factors, the above observation will always introduce a huge statistical bias.

I am quite sure that the group of cases found in the 'vaccine' group are largely those persons who would have died from an unprotected Covid infection. Because those persons are by definition not present in the unvaccinated group (they died during the first infection) you can explain the number of cases in both groups precisely by the above described mechanism. The conclusion then is that the found cases have nothing to do with 'better resistance due to an earlier infection'.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

And it is a fact that the unvaccinated with natural immunity there are 13 times less likely to get the variant than the vaccinated.
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I don't think this is true, Bruce.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I don't think this is true, Bruce.

It is from a study
The total context may be incomplete but that is the results that were publicized.


A new study from Israel looked at thousands of people who had either been vaccinated against COVID-19 or were unvaccinated but previously infected
Participants who were double jabbed were 5.96 times more likely to be infected and 7.13 times more likely to experience symptoms
After three months, risk of infection was 13.06 times higher among immunized individuals and they were 27 times more likely to experience symptoms
Researchers say the study has many limitations including the Indian 'Delta' variant being dominant and participants not being required to be tested
The study does not discourage vaccination because unvaccinated people are still more likely to be infected with Covid or hospitalized than vaccinated people
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

It is from a study
The total context may be incomplete but that is the results that were publicized.


A new study from Israel looked at thousands of people who had either been vaccinated against COVID-19 or were unvaccinated but previously infected
Participants who were double jabbed were 5.96 times more likely to be infected and 7.13 times more likely to experience symptoms
After three months, risk of infection was 13.06 times higher among immunized individuals and they were 27 times more likely to experience symptoms
Researchers say the study has many limitations including the Indian 'Delta' variant being dominant and participants not being required to be tested
The study does not discourage vaccination because unvaccinated people are still more likely to be infected with Covid or hospitalized than vaccinated people
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Have you been sniffing the Tightbond again ?? “A study”. What study? To think that these vaccines don’t work is ridiculous.
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[JohnR]

I read an interesting dive into the various studies. Several hypotheses can be drawn:


Previous Covid infection is one of the best defenses against getting C19 again, or the Delta.


Getting vaccinated on top of a previous infection is even more safe.

Pfizer seems to have most lost of effectiveness


https://maximumtruth.substack.com/p/...source=twitter

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I read an interesting dive into the various studies. Several hypotheses can be drawn:


Previous Covid infection is one of the best defenses against getting C19 again, or the Delta.


Getting vaccinated on top of a previous infection is even more safe.

Pfizer seems to have most lost of effectiveness


https://maximumtruth.substack.com/p/...source=twitter

We will all no doubt know more going forward, but I’d agree with the conclusion at the end, getting the vaccine regardless of your vaccine status is good for society and probably especially valuable to anyone living a more risky public life.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I read an interesting dive into the various studies. Several hypotheses can be drawn:


Previous Covid infection is one of the best defenses against getting C19 again, or the Delta.


Getting vaccinated on top of a previous infection is even more safe.

Pfizer seems to have most lost of effectiveness


https://maximumtruth.substack.com/p/...source=twitter

What I don’t see in the comparison of the difference in effectiveness between having previously had COVID and the vaccine is the fact that if you had Covid previously you survived.
Taking the most vulnerable out of the data would skew the results.
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I read an interesting dive into the various studies. Several hypotheses can be drawn:


Previous Covid infection is one of the best defenses against getting C19 again, or the Delta.


Getting vaccinated on top of a previous infection is even more safe.

Cool
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Have you been sniffing the Tightbond again ?? “A study”. What study? To think that these vaccines don’t work is ridiculous.
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I never said the vaccines don’t work
Stop putting words in my mouth
I posted what was said about the Variant
Lay off the pipe

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