Biden/Warren in 2016?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jackbass

Surprisingly depends on who you talk to
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yep....and those that thought he couldn't.....were wrong.

never misunderestimate the stupidity of the American People

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

never misunderestimate the stupidity of the American People

True.

Combine that with the unbelievable bias in the media towards the Democrat, and anything can happen.

But as a conservative, I'd feel better about my chances if it was Biden, as opposed to Hilary. Not sure which one would be the lesser of two evils if elected.

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

yep....and those that thought he couldn't.....were wrong.

never misunderestimate the stupidity of the American People

The issue is it really has little to do with the American people. Just the way it is.

Under our current system the Electors choose the U.S. President. 537 delegates from across the U.S. Choose the POTUS. These delegates are nominated at state conventions for their respective parties. Generally chosen because of contribution to that party(in this day and age I am more than certain that contribution comes monetarily) judging by the one name I know from the list of MA delegates from 2012. These individuals do not fall in line with the populace rather the pols and the interests supporting them.

Hence the money game. What happens is these individuals that will be nominated are the individuals most easily bought by the super pacs and those heavily connected within party lines. That is why I have been saying while sanders may have noble intentions, while Trump may want who make America Great Again. Their message may be heard by the people but at the end of the day the interests that control the USA will not have a person elected that will not fall in line with what they want. So yes Obama won the popular vote in 2012 and 2008 the people were idiots and dazzled by Oprah and Hope and Change etc. at the end of the day Obama won because he said yes more often than anyone else when the super pacs came knocking with money in hand. Our vote for the POTUS means nothing. As evidenced in 2000 when GW won but lost the popular vote. Our votes on the local and national level count more to hope and change than any single vote for POTUS we could ever cast.

The best thing we could do as a people is vote in a pile of trumps and Sanders into the house and the Senate.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Jackbass

The issue is it really has little to do with the American people. Just the way it is.


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But how often do the electors not cast their vote for whomever won that state (as decided by the people)?

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

But how often do the electors not cast their vote for whomever won that state (as decided by the people)?

The point is moot if we can't even get the best candidate nominated.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Jackbass

The point is moot if we can't even get the best candidate nominated.
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But the nominee isn't selected without regard to the people. There is a primary in each state, and at the convention, the state delegates go through the formality of giving their vote to a candidate. But doesn't the delegate always cast his vote for whoever won the primary in that state?

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

But the nominee isn't selected without regard to the people. There is a primary in each state, and at the convention, the state delegates go through the formality of giving their vote to a candidate. But doesn't the delegate always cast his vote for whoever won the primary in that state?

Who votes in Primaries? Not the Un enrolled. I have to register with a party to vote in a primary. Sorry but I choose to vote based on the candidate. Unfortunately that leaves me out in the cold on primary day.

"Only voters affiliated with a particular party may vote in its primary. State law provides for closed primaries, but both parties allow unaffiliated voters to choose their ballot on election day."
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Jackbass

Who votes in Primaries? Not the Un enrolled. I have to register with a party to vote in a primary. Sorry but I choose to vote based on the candidate. Unfortunately that leaves me out in the cold on primary day.

"Only voters affiliated with a particular party may vote in its primary. State law provides for closed primaries, but both parties allow unaffiliated voters to choose their ballot on election day."
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Ok, you got me there, in most states, you have to be a registered member of a party to vote in a primary. It is your choice to remain unaffiliated, which while I admire that, the downside is you are choosing to exclude yourself from the primaries.

I also hate the fact that some states get to primary months before other states. So in early states (Iowa, New Hampshire) all the candidates are still on the ballot. By the time my primary rolls around, my candidate may have dropped out, my choice is more limited. I have never seen the sense or fairness in that. I am guessing that when the CT primary takes place, Ben Carson may well be out o fthe race by then. Doesn't seem fair that someone in NH gets to vote for him, bit not someone in CT.

I do ike the system though, I think it works well on nmost fronts, except for the gullability, laziness, and ignorance of so many voters.