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10-03-2017, 05:29 AM
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I can't think of a single Gun Control law that would have prevented the Vegas shooting from happening.
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10-03-2017, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
I can't think of a single Gun Control law that would have prevented the Vegas shooting from happening.
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I am hearing he had bump stocks. If thats true, and if they were never legal, perhaps a few more people would be alive. Is that worth giving up the freedom to own them? A lot of people say no. I am inclined to say yes, but the constitutional issue is troubling.
You are correct, no law would have prevented it. But possibly reduced the carnage...
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10-03-2017, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
I am hearing he had bump stocks. If thats true, and if they were never legal, perhaps a few more people would be alive. Is that worth giving up the freedom to own them? A lot of people say no. I am inclined to say yes, but the constitutional issue is troubling.
You are correct, no law would have prevented it. But possibly reduced the carnage...
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Don't know and good question.
One of the problems with gun control laws is that when some are made the anti-gun folks make a law, they try to expand its reach.
A lot of people that would support increased licensing / testing / mental stability screening don't because we know that politicians and bureaucrats will abuse that.
Constitution is fine.
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10-03-2017, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Don't know and good question.
One of the problems with gun control laws is that when some are made the anti-gun folks make a law, they try to expand its reach.
A lot of people that would support increased licensing / testing / mental stability screening don't because we know that politicians and bureaucrats will abuse that.
Constitution is fine.
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And the people who fear that there will be over-reach, are justified in feeling that way.
It all leads to gridlock. The right doesn't want to budge on guns. The left doesn't want to budge on things like committing the mentally ill, or curbing violence in the entertainment industry, or in curbing the notion that all weird human impulses are a cause for celebration., or letting up on mocking people like those who live in the Dakotas (where everyone has guns, and there is almost no gun crime...but they are "bitter clingers", not people to respect and emulate??)
I'd like to see some common sense gun laws, if they could pass the constitutionality test. I'd also like to see our moral compass get a tune up. Don't ask me how to do it.
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10-03-2017, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
I'd like to see some common sense gun laws....
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name one....or two...
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10-03-2017, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
name one....or two...
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Come on, you think there's no such thing as a common sense gun law?
I would start with the tools that make mass shootings a realistic possibility for a "typical" homicidal maniac, if there is such a thing.
Things like high capacity magazines, bump stocks...maybe make it legal to go to a very expensive gun club that the individual pays to join, where you can go in a room all by yourself, and shoot it, if that's how you get your jollies. Don't let people take them home. That's military functionality, there's no earthly reason to have it in your home.
When the technology is available (is it yet?), maybe require that all future guns have fingerprint id, so that no one else can shoot them. If that adds to the cost of owning a gun, so be it.
There's always a trade off between liberty and security. If Sandy Hook doesn't cause you to re-think where that line is drawn, at least a little bit, I'd say you are a pretty callous person.
Scott, if you had 50 caliber machine guns in your house, I'd probably still feel safe letting you babysit my kids. 95% of us are no threat. But the fact is, there are some kooks out there, and unfortunately, they don't walk around wearing signs that say "I am a homicidal maniac". They are out there, and we can't identify them. So we can make it harder for them to kill our kids (we can never make it impossible), or we can choose not to make it harder.
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10-03-2017, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Come on, you think there's no such thing as a common sense gun law?
I would start with the tools that make mass shootings a realistic possibility for a "typical" homicidal maniac, if there is such a thing.
Things like high capacity magazines, bump stocks...maybe make it legal to go to a very expensive gun club that the individual pays to join, where you can go in a room all by yourself, and shoot it, if that's how you get your jollies. Don't let people take them home. That's military functionality, there's no earthly reason to have it in your home.
When the technology is available (is it yet?), maybe require that all future guns have fingerprint id, so that no one else can shoot them. If that adds to the cost of owning a gun, so be it.
There's always a trade off between liberty and security. If Sandy Hook doesn't cause you to re-think where that line is drawn, at least a little bit, I'd say you are a pretty callous person.
Scott, if you had 50 caliber machine guns in your house, I'd probably still feel safe letting you babysit my kids. 95% of us are no threat. But the fact is, there are some kooks out there, and unfortunately, they don't walk around wearing signs that say "I am a homicidal maniac". They are out there, and we can't identify them. So we can make it harder for them to kill our kids (we can never make it impossible), or we can choose not to make it harder.
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would any of what you listed have stopped the shooting in Vegas?
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10-03-2017, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Come on, you think there's no such thing as a common sense gun law?
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Is allowing silencers a common sense gun law?
Edit - think how many more deaths there may have been if people didn't know as soon where the gunman was.
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10-03-2017, 11:02 AM
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"I'd also like to see our moral compass get a tune up." Man have you got that right.
Look I get that one nut job is to blame, the guns he used aren't responsible, but because he's up there with those types of weapons and not a couple rifles intended to deer hunt; is why 58 people and over 500 were injured. You want to use the "don't blame the tool" argument, then let's talk cell phones and the highway deaths attributed to them. Again the phone wasn't to blame, but as a trend grows and more deaths result, law changes are required to prevent more deaths. I have no problem with a new law and tougher penalties for either idiots on the highway texting while driving, or much more involved vetting to purchase firearms or limiting what can be purchased to avoid the magnitude of these mass shootings. I have no doubt as many have stated, most are responsible gun owners, but a troubled teen stealing their parents 16ga or pistol isn't near as bad as running into the school with their AR and a dozen clips.
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10-03-2017, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
I'd also like to see our moral compass get a tune up. Man have you got that right.
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how do you tune up the moral compass of a homicidal maniac?
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10-03-2017, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
how do you tune up the moral compass of a homicidal maniac?
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You can't. An improved moral compass likely won't effect a true sociopath.
But an improved collective moral compass, is exactly what the doctor ordered, to target "garden variety" street crime, like what we see in Chicago.
I blame the right for availability of weapons that I'd personally be happy to see disappear. I blame the left for the decay of the moral compass.
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10-03-2017, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
One of the problems with gun control laws is that when some are made the anti-gun folks make a law, they try to expand its reach.
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And the pro- gun crowd doesn't do the same?
Did anything happened in Feb. of this year w/background checks?
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