Indonesia- Consider this!!

[Duke41]

. When the %$%$%$%$ hit the fan on 9/11 my folks where sailing through Indonesia. The area has a ton of Moslems and there was much celebrating the great victory of Allah over the infidel Americans. My folks got harassed so much that they put the sails up and headed to Thailand where they dry-docked the boat and came home for 18 months. They were cursed, threatened, robbed and spit on while in Indonesia after 9/11.

Now after the great Tsunami who is giving more than the Great Satan ( America) no one. Our personal donations are predicted to hit over 500 million dollars, plus the 350 million the Feds have promised. I have not heard of s single penny being donated by any Moslem country outside of Saudi. So where is Syria, Iraq and the rest of Moslems. Nowhere heads firmly up their Asses. Now I read that the Indonesians are beginning to think that maybe we aren't so bad after all. Two things for them to consider First we are the best people on Earth and second we got their back while the Moslem world is out screwing goats. That’s my bitch session for today!

[tynan19]

Combined Middle Eastern countries the 3-4 richest in the world are giving less than us.

[Squid kids Dad]

..^%^%$#$ um

[spence]

I can understand your parents experience as being somewhat less than satisfactory

But have you every pondered why?

I highly suggest you pick up "Imperial Hubris, Why the West is Loosing the War on Terror" which was released this summer. Still in hardcover, but it's worth every penny.

-spence

[BigFish]

Good bitch session Duke!

[spence]

Originally posted by Duke41
Now after the great Tsunami who is giving more than the Great Satan ( America) no one.

Interesting sideline here...when it was reported that Khomeni referred to the United States as the great "Satan", what he actually said was "Shay-tan" which in farsi means "the trickster". This was in response to Western vices (booze, gambling etc...) that were becoming more common under the US installed Shaw. He was in no way comparring the United States to what we think of as the devil or evilness.

-spence

[Vectorfisher]

Yah and I bet half the Iraqi's we are protecting now were the same ones 11 months ago that were seen chanting and having a ball next to our burning military vehicles On another note that is pretty cool stuff that your parents get to sail around like that

[Navy Chief]

The Tsunami could be the best public relations thing to happen to the US in a long time.

For years, we had good relations with Indonesia , in the Navy, I've visited Bali, Jakarta and Surabaya. The radical muslims didn't exist under former (US backed) dictator Suharto. The place is democratic now, hopefully they will be our friends.

After we saved their collective butts, they should get off our case and start helping us.

[Duke41]

Spence,

Understand this they were abused and scared. At the time my dad was 65 and my mom was 63. Some bastard stole all their clothes at a laundry mat and then tried to sell them back to them for $1,500 bucks US while a crown gathered around them taunting them. They finally paid the guy $125.00 all they had on them and ran for the marina. I don't think you would be so smug if it was your parents. Also i really don't care what we did or didn't do to them, That don't know how to act.

[Nebe]

Originally posted by Duke41
. Two things for them to consider First we are the best people on Earth and second we got their back while the Moslem world is out screwing goats. That’s my bitch session for today!

no wonder they hate us.

[spence]

Originally posted by Duke41
Spence,

Understand this they were abused and scared. At the time my dad was 65 and my mom was 63. Some bastard stole all their clothes at a laundry mat and then tried to sell them back to them for $1,500 bucks US while a crown gathered around them taunting them. They finally paid the guy $125.00 all they had on them and ran for the marina. I don't think you would be so smug if it was your parents. Also i really don't care what we did or didn't do to them, That don't know how to act.

Duke, I think you misread my post. I'm not making light of your parents situation at all, hence the winking emoticon

The rest of what I said (big picture) still stands though.

-spence

[MAC]

We need to remember this thread and come back to it in 2 years. Lets see what the relations are then....will they be friends or foe? I am a firm believer in "you can't change a lepoards spots". Hopefully time will prove me wrong.

[Notaro]

Originally posted by Duke41
Spence,

Understand this they were abused and scared. At the time my dad was 65 and my mom was 63. Some bastard stole all their clothes at a laundry mat and then tried to sell them back to them for $1,500 bucks US while a crown gathered around them taunting them. They finally paid the guy $125.00 all they had on them and ran for the marina. I don't think you would be so smug if it was your parents. Also i really don't care what we did or didn't do to them, That don't know how to act.

well, some parts of the indonesia is like a 3rd world country. im sorry for what happened to your parents. it sucks. people can commit atrocrities (sp?) and harm victims for stupid reasons. for example, i remember a few of american girls were car-bombed in cuba or PR a few years ago. im not sure which one. my HS teacher told me about it. it was due to the revolution or something.

duke, do u remember the event after 9/11, many of us trash on muslims communities? its kinda the same with ur parents.

[fishweewee]

somebody pimped my previous avatar. sure look perty in white Joe.

[Notaro]

[outfished]

Hey spence, @#*% Khomeni and the rest of them! Do you realize when some (most) of the heads of state and the royal family members of middle eastern countries visit the good ole U.S of A, they frequent strip clubs, hire hookers, hang out at casino's, drink alcohol etc etc.
I think the "war on terrorism" IS being lost, on their side. Hypocrites hiding behind Islam is all they are. Shay-tan or satan, its all irrelevant. Terrorist will be shot! Survivors will be shot again. They've declared war on us and now we have to try to reason with them as to why they hate us? PALEASE

[spence]

First, nice avatar

Second...I'm just trying to add some perspective. You can run around shooting terrorists to your heart's content...but unless you address the Geo-Political issues that are making more terrorists you will not be able to win

-spence

[fishweewee]

Originally posted by outfished
Hey spence, @#*% Khomeni and the rest of them! Do you realize when some (most) of the heads of state and the royal family members of middle eastern countries visit the good ole U.S of A, they frequent strip clubs, hire hookers, hang out at casino's, drink alcohol etc etc.

You forgot the clandestine take-outs from Bubba's BBQ Pit.

[Duke41]

Screw the hearts and minds crap. We didn't get the Japanese or Germans hearts and minds we just kicked ass and that s what we are doing now. Anyone that would sanction the flying of jets into any civilian struture is SCUM. We need to protect ourlselves and not let our guard down for one second.

[chris L]

I think the way to change the terrorists tactics is to just give them all a big hug . one big group hug or holding hands . this has never been tried before and it may work . GIVE LOVE A CHANCE .
if it doesnt work kill em all before they blow up .

[fishweewee]

Originally posted by chris L
GIVE LOVE A CHANCE .

Chris, man, you've been spending waaaaaay too much time with those Yalies. xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo

[piemma]

In Nam we had a saying "kill em all and let God sort them out."

[Duke41]

Geez I sound like a frigging maniac. Some things hit too close to home I guess.

[Nebe]

Originally posted by piemma
In Nam we had a saying "kill em all and let God sort them out."

I have that saying too... At the narrow river

[spence]

This isn't really about winning hearts and minds anyway. I'd like someone to please point out a single example of militarized insurgancy that has been defeated via extreme violence. Just one, please...if you can.

We can drop bombs 24/7, but if our actions just further radicalize Islam and make more terror recruits, what's the point?

Are you prepared to build a wall around the United States? because that's what it's going to take. There are lessons to be learned from Palestine, Chechnya, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq etc...lessons that are not being heeded.

The well travelled Navy Chief made an interesting observation about Indonesia being much more friendly under a dictatorship, and less friendly as a democracy. This seems counter to what our President keeps telling us, that they just hate us for our freedoms.

For sure we need to shed blood when necessary, but there is another side to the solution that is completely being overlooked.

-spence

[Nebe]

Originally posted by spence
For sure we need to shed blood when necessary, but there is another side to the solution that is completely being overlooked.

-spence

thats right....... .NUKE 'EM!

[fishweewee]

Oh, my, Eben is cranky this morning.

[reelecstasy]

I like the wall idea....my .02cents

[spence]

Originally posted by reelecstasy
I like the wall idea....my .02cents

As long as we start with CA, AZ, NM and TX

-spence

[chris L]

make love not war
sock it to me baby
order in the court he comes da judge
peace love dove man
peace brother man

its the weed that makes me love and the government that makes me fight ! 1967