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Old 08-19-2006, 04:01 PM   #1
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Pliers help needed...

I've just trashed my upteenth pair of Manley cheepies with cutter. Where do I go from here.
I need something to cut singlestrand, braid, braid wire and a hook if need be.
Money is no object cause my wife may pay for this one <for a change>

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Old 08-19-2006, 04:09 PM   #2
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I have a pair that cost well over $100.00 that are junk and have not been used in years.
I get mine at Job Lot now for a buck a pair, and they have lasted three seasons and will cut anything.

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Old 08-19-2006, 04:58 PM   #3
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I use the Gerber multi tool as they can cut braid but you are asking alot to cut wire and hooks. I have a set of "linemans" pliers to cut wire and hooks but keep that tool in the truck.
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Old 08-19-2006, 05:11 PM   #4
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Asking them to cut a hook is alot. I have Van Staal pliers and love them but my buddy shattered the cutters on his the other night trying to cut a hook. The VS cutters do cut braid well.
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Old 08-19-2006, 06:42 PM   #5
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High end pliers are nice, but you hit the nail on the head, the ability to cut a hook is an important safety feature you don't want to be without if you walk in to fish.
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Old 08-19-2006, 06:45 PM   #6
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what size hook are you trying to cut to break the manleys? I don't believe you will find a single pair of pliers to do everything you want. It is kind of like buying a rod and expecting it to throw 5/8 oz bombers up to 6 oz jigs.
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Old 08-19-2006, 07:06 PM   #7
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I feel your pain. Been down this road and have a a number of dead ones. There are two schools of thought on this, go cheap and get something like a oil encased holder...which works well but does not address the braid cutting ability. OR, go expensive. But let me tell you all expensive pliers don't cut braid all that well. I have a pair of donmars which are great a rigging tool, don't rust and stand up to severe abuse but once you cut wire it will not cut braid. However, this spring I went to a fishing event that had a blind auction and I bid 60 bucks on a pair of Accurate offshore pliers. I won, let me tell you this is the best tool I have ever used. Cuts everything like butter and it is completely replaceable (fixable) should something wear out. Really a great pair of pliers, very lightweight but very strong. I have been using these all season and so far so good. The bad news it lists for 165 and then you need the sheath and lanyard. You really need the lanyard, you don't want to drop these overboad. But I still have 3 pair of $17 shimano pliers in a oiled sponge holder and these do a good job on board but don't cut braid very well after a few uses. That is my 2 cents.

OH, for cutting heavy hooks, I keep a pair of heavy cutters just for this purpose, I rarely use them but they are in the bottom of the console seat should they be required. I think it is a bit much to ask that your rigging pliers cut a shark hook but you should have a tool on board to do it. I think the accurates could cut a smaller hook but I don't know how the cutters would hold up.
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Old 08-19-2006, 07:00 PM   #8
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I think the ability to cut a 7/0 hook is a great safety feature, Even if it means that I need new cutters after that I would gladly buy them. Hey.... how much are replacement cutters?

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Old 08-20-2006, 08:21 AM   #9
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Any tips on size; is bigger better? 8inch, 6inch, etc.
After reading everyones opinion I thought I would try the Accurates as well.
Where do you suggest getting them. Mailorder is OK for me...

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Old 08-20-2006, 10:03 AM   #10
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Accurate Piranhas are very good pliers. Tough to beat for the money. Aluminum construction versus titanium for the VS.

The handles on both sizes of Accurates are long enough for most peoples hands, so either size is good. We sell far more of the 7 then the 8 inch model.

Don't expect the Piranhas to cut a big 7/0, it's not going to happen. Even a 3/0 4x might be asking a lot. The plier will tweak or the cutter will break first, which has happened. Many companies have copied the VS design but neglected to add more material around the pivot to make up for the fact they're using aluminum and not titanium so there have been occasional breakage issues.

I'm still partial to the Van Staals due to the fact they are the ultimate in corrosion resistance. Other then rain mine haven't seen freshwater since winter.

Lastly, pliers that cut hooks. I lifted this from a post I made elsewhere on the matter.

"There's definitely a weird division among plier owners; there's the camp that believes any surf plier MUST cut hooks and then another camp that doesn't feel it's necessary. I'm definitely in the latter camp because IMO this is all about having the right tool for the job and has nothing to do with $$.

I'd bet it's extraordinarily rare to find a plier that can both easily and repetitively cut hooks and then go repetitively and easily cut braid for more then a year. If someone has such a plier please let me know. These two tasks are very different and a plier biased to do one or the other doesn't do the task it was not designed for very well. Most surf pliers from $20 to $300 can cut a hook, just don't expect to cut braid afterwards. Cutting mono is a whole different game. There are pliers out there (Manleys in particular although they still won't do it for long) that can do that.

For the surf I just need a plier that lasts, most importantly cuts braid, mono, and wire (and it has to cut a lot of wire yet still cut braid), can firmly grab hooks for removal from fish, and can in a pinch cut a hook if needed. If I put a hook in my hand though I'm certainly going to try and get back to my truck where I have pliers built to cut wire and hooks.

For cutting hooks, it's worth getting something designed to do it, such as compound leverage pliers. Not only will they cut hooks, but it will do it for a long time, and it won't hurt your hands when you squeeze down. Compound leverage pliers are perfect for this as they give you a lot of control and will make a clean cut. Cutting hooks with surf pliers is risky, if you slip or something while squeezing down you can imagine the pain that is going to cause. At the same time this plier probably can't even put a dent in braid. It is also great for opening VMC's for plugs that you don't want to use split rings on.

Most surf pliers are not built to cut hooks, and something built to cut hooks is not built to cut braid. They're VERY different tasks that have different solutions."
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Old 08-20-2006, 10:44 AM   #11
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If you want your pliers to last a long time wipe'em down with this:

http://www.sentrysolutions.com/MarineTufCloth.shtml
http://www.sentrysolutions.com/TufGlidekew.shtml

This stuff works.Your cheapies will last much longer.
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Old 08-20-2006, 10:51 AM   #12
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Buy a Bunch of $3 pliers and a few $3 cutters from Ocean State Job Lot and your worrys will go away

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Old 08-20-2006, 02:19 PM   #13
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I'll second the cheap Job Lot plyers and cutters in couple of sizes. I also always carry a pair of nail clippers either hanging around my neck or hanging on the console. They cut mono instantly, braid so so but they work.

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Old 08-24-2006, 09:17 AM   #14
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Actually I'm torn between the Van Staal's and the $3 Job Lot kids scissors. Actually I don't cut braid much; mostly wire and wire cable...

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Old 08-24-2006, 12:27 PM   #15
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numark pliers and sheath 7 bux

1 can of 3 in 1 oil I dunno 4 bux

1 pair bolt cutters form job lot I dunno 10-12 bux..

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