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09-17-2006, 06:25 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,008
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Gill Plate Grab
Is it ok to grab fish by the gill plate when my intentions are to release? I dont touch the red part of the gills just the plate cover under their jaw. I find it alot easier/safer and faster, than grabbing heavy ones by their bottom lip, especially when they have a mouth full of VMC's.. I released a heavy, 4o+"er last night this way..just made me wonder after it swam off if I had done any damage to it...I've heard people say its bad, others say it doesnt effect them at all.
what do you think?
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09-17-2006, 06:28 PM
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Wishin' for fishin'
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Brockton
Posts: 1,651
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Works for me, just be careful of the sharp plate spine on the gill cover, rub it the wrong way and you could get a pretty bad cut.
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09-17-2006, 06:42 PM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
Posts: 14,773
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I had to start doing that yesterday as my thumbs had been turned to hamburg. I was thinking the same thing, hope this is not harmful. I did let any that I was capable of go while in the water. p.
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09-17-2006, 07:03 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Maine
Posts: 4,547
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I try to stay away from the gill plate as it carries loads of bacteria. On bigger fish just hook your thumb under the outside edge of the jaw and stick your fingers in his mouth (like you are grabbing a baseball bat). Just be careful of hooks.
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09-17-2006, 07:33 PM
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Soggy Bottom Boy
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Billerica, Ma.
Posts: 7,260
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If you don't want to lip it you can grab it just behind the head with your thumb and index finger, I try not to touch there gills, it is like sticking your hand in there lungs
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09-17-2006, 08:11 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: North Shore
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If you want to lift it up after grabbing it by the lip, on the bigger fish you will be grabbing the lower lip with your hand, not your thumb. When you swing it up, put a hand under its belly to give it extra support.
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"It was the blackest night! There was no moon in sight! (You know the stars ain't shinnin cause the sky's too tight) "
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09-17-2006, 10:25 PM
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Moriarty
my thumbs had been turned to hamburg. p.
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Sounds like a Good Problem to have.....Mine, Unfortunately are in perfect shape
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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09-18-2006, 07:42 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bethany CT
Posts: 2,883
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The issue isn't so much the bacteria that are in the gill plate, but the bacteria introduced by your hand into the gill plate. I have read alot that says it greatly reduces the chance of survival after being released. Not sure if avoiding the gills themselves changes it.
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09-18-2006, 08:54 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Newtown, CT
Posts: 5,659
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As long as you don't touch the gills themselves, the fish should be O.K., but it is a real problem getting you finger up in there without touching the gills.
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09-18-2006, 09:00 AM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: 61° 30′ 0″ N, 23° 46′ 0″ E
Posts: 8,158
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Sometimes, it's the only safe way to handle a really big fish. The whole-fisted lip grab works well when you're fishing jigs or other rigs with a single hook, but trebles across the face presents a real problem
Your safety comes before any fish's well being, in my book 
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09-18-2006, 10:41 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 297
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throw on a glove and you won't have to worry  Cheap gardening gloves work really well....Although I always forget to bring them.
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09-18-2006, 12:15 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 372
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Nobody here has ever heard the tearing sound a 35 pound plus fish's gill plate makes when you lift them like that? I don't think its a good idea on larger fish.
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bluefish Jihadist
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09-18-2006, 12:55 PM
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Formerly the_shocker
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: ricca
Posts: 730
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lip grips for large. cabelas make a floatable on the cheap. safe for you and more importantly the fish.
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09-18-2006, 07:21 PM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Brockton,Ma
Posts: 8,484
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Talked to a guy that got a gill plate cut and had the red line running up his arm .. He said the doctor told him there're bacterias in the ocean that have not even been identified .. Slip and myself were talking about this a little with teaching kids to fish .. Then the fish with the sores.. Should probably be a seperate thread .. Kids handling fish ,,maybe a glove isn't a bad idea.
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Belcher Goonfoock (retired)
(dob 4-21-07)
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09-18-2006, 09:02 PM
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Wishin' for fishin'
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Brockton
Posts: 1,651
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Big bluefish and gill rip= bit off fingers when your fingers go out the mouth, through the gill.
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09-18-2006, 09:50 PM
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JohneeeD
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New Hampshire/Mass on da border
Posts: 34
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UNLESS YOU INTEND TO KEEP THE FISH>>>>DO NOT GILL THE FISH!!!!!
Yes it does alot od damage to the fish...even if you don't touch the gills there is enough bacteria on your hands to get the fished gills infected...plusyou damage the muscles and the fishes spin that way, also you could tear the gill plate off the fish...ONLY IF YOU INTEND TO KEEP IT....so sux it up and lip her or wear a "PUSSY PAW" (glove)
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09-19-2006, 11:39 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,008
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Thanks for the info...So the under the chin/gill grab is no good..
I was under the impression the fish released would be okay as long as you didnt touch the red part of the gills.. At least I've only released two big ones this way..hope they are still swimming..
But this raises a question..when you lip a fish..wont the bacteria on your hands transfer from the lip to gills..I mean they are inches apart from each other and work together.
(I lip 99% of the fish I catch except bloos of course, those I'll grab em by the tail or use the vulcan neck pinch method.
I always thought that would be dangerous though w/ a big fish (behind the gill neck pinch) b/c they would be harder to grab from the top, (heavier and fatter, hard to get your hand around em)..but from now on I will just lip em if I intend on releasing...
I get much more satisfaction seeing them swim away than seeing them die on the rocks...I still have plenty of meat in my freezer (just dont need to kill em all for fame & glory). I was praised by one of my friends last time for being so conservative...he couldnt believe I let such a big fish go...Well, lately..I only want a trophy, I broke 40" this year now I'm just after that heavy biatch).
The reason I grabbed the last one by the gills was because the surf was pretty big where I was Sat night and the fish had a mouth full of trebles..(I just wanted to grab it and get the hell away from the surf without having to worry about a getting trebles in the hand..or a good mouth grab.
I wont get a lip grabber tool b/c I like to travel light..Maybe check out those gloves..dont know if I can deal w/ them though..I'll take my chances w/ the vulcan neck pinch or lip it..or just keep the next biggun for my mom to cook.
Question: How do you support the underneath of a heavy bass w/ one hand in its mouth and the other on your rod?
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09-19-2006, 12:21 PM
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Jburt
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Falmouth
Posts: 338
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MotoXcowboy
Question: How do you support the underneath of a heavy bass w/ one hand in its mouth and the other on your rod?
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put the rod in your mouth...
i tried to upload an image, but its to big and im not sure how to resize.... 
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