Pocket Rocket Re-Incarnated - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

DZ · 10-31-2006, 06:51 PM

Pocket Rocket Re-Incarnated

Approximately 20 some odd years ago two dedicated surf casters named Danny Pichney and Tim Coleman put their knowledge and experience together to develop a plug that would stand up to large Block Island bass without the worry of straightened treble hooks.

Their intention was to design a “Wooden Hopkins”, something that would cast well into the wind, simulate a sand eel, and be equipped with a strong single hook so as to increase the amount of bass “landed”.

What they designed was called the “Pocket Rocket” – a very small 3 1/2 inch needlefish equipped with a single feathered hook. The rocket became the first of what many now refer to as “Stubby” Needlefish.

Coleman used the Pocket Rocket one November night and it passed all tests with flying colors by landing multiple bass up to 67 pounds.

The original design of the Pocket Rocket is now available again thanks to Al Gag. I’ll be trying to recreate the magic legacy of this classic plug
in the next few weeks.

Photo - Top Original Danny Pichney Pocket Rocket

Bottom two are the new Gag's Pocket Rocket

DZ

tlapinski · 10-31-2006, 06:53 PM

Dennis, the new PR's feel a bit light compared to the original Pichney I have. Pretty much the reason I haven't tried Al's yet is due to this. Did he change the weight on them since last winter?

DZ · 10-31-2006, 06:59 PM

Toby,
Listed as 1 1/2 oz on package. Haven't done a scale comparison for weight. They "feel" close.

DZ

numbskull · 10-31-2006, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tlapinski

Dennis, the new PR's feel a bit light compared to the original Pichney I have. ?

Anyone know what an original weighed?

lurch · 10-31-2006, 08:34 PM

look like a Hab's night-n-gale to me???

tobias · 10-31-2006, 08:54 PM

Original Pocket Rockets - Top black ones weigh 1.3 ounces, white one weighs 0.7 ounces.

tattoobob · 10-31-2006, 08:57 PM

I always wonder what the difference between hackles and bucktail is? probably action?

DZ · 11-01-2006, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by tobias

Original Pocket Rockets - Top black ones weigh 1.3 ounces, white one weighs 0.7 ounces.

Thanks Tobias - I knew someone had a scale.

Just a little more info - all stubbys on the market work including Super Strike, Habs, Gibbs - most are larger than the pocket rocket. The Gags comes "closest" to trying to duplicate the original purpose of the plug. They are fine sand eel imitations but to limit yourself to fishing them when only sand eels are present would be a mistake.

DZ

DaveS · 11-01-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lurch

look like a Hab's night-n-gale to me???

Me too. Hey, do the new Gag's ones come with rusty hooks like that one in the bottom pic?

tattoobob · 10-31-2006, 07:00 PM

Now I need to buy some of these for the trip.

reebok · 10-31-2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DZ

Pocket Rocket Re-Incarnated

Photo - Top Original Danny Pichney Pocket Rocket

Bottom two are the new Gag's Pocket Rocket

DZ

Gee a carbon copy... But what's wrong with an SS bullet with a single hook and feather?

spence · 10-31-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rebaalk

Gee a carbon copy... But what's wrong with an SS bullet with a single hook and feather?

I've done a few with a 5/0 siwash, but of buck and 3 veeerrrrryyyy long saddle hackles. It's nice.

-spence

capesams · 10-31-2006, 09:50 PM

the dany I have is 3-3/4" long and is .85 in weight
the gag's is 3-3/4 and is .90 in weight

and ineresting note..when gag's was at a meeting at the club I belong to, he claimed that he invented the pr .

tattoobob · 10-31-2006, 09:56 PM

Ya but he always has a hot chick with him, maybe Al Gore and him could share some ideas

eelman · 10-31-2006, 10:09 PM

I have quite few of the originals that Tim gave me..they will never see water(to precious to risk losing)...I dont thing anything could ever be as good as the original..and that was a time of hoards of sand eels...those days are long gone....

Brother Brian · 10-31-2006, 09:17 PM

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I always wonder what the difference between hackles and bucktail is? probably action?

Definately action.

RIROCKHOUND · 11-01-2006, 08:24 AM

DZ..
are the gags commercially available locally yet?
Bryan

reelecstasy · 11-01-2006, 08:25 AM

I have a few PR from al, they catch-no doubt

macojoe · 11-01-2006, 08:31 AM

LMFAO!!

I never use plugs and I am going to start next season, learning howto use them!!

Any way why I am laughing is I thought this was a thread on the old pocket fisherman!

Good old Ronco!!

blue oyster · 11-01-2006, 08:39 AM

i have used 1 of al's rockets , my problem is the finish it did not hold up well , 1 fish and a couple of rocks there is almost no paint left , i have done a lot worse to other plugs with only a nick or a scratch .

Diamond Tackle · 11-01-2006, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by blue oyster

i have used 1 of al's rockets , my problem is the finish it did not hold up well , 1 fish and a couple of rocks there is almost no paint left , i have done a lot worse to other plugs with only a nick or a scratch .

Al very professionally took back evey one from that batch, Im sure he would do the same for you if you contact him. His manufacturer of the paint or primer? as I recall changed their formula because of VOC laws I think, and it was a brief disaster. He gladly replaced ALL of the ones affected, these were back from the RISSA show, that was the batch, and the new ones are practically indestructible. I have fished them hard and they hold up very well.

SeaWolf · 11-01-2006, 09:15 AM

each have their moments and place. my .02...late in the fall when the wind is howling hard from the northwest, or is in your teeth, there is a gale warning, one lure that i have had in my bag in recent years is a loaded habs 1.5 oz or 2 oz needle. more recently, habs introduced the night 'n gale. althought the pocket rockets of old, and now the gag's version, do work in some areas, they would not work where i fish and how i fish in these conditions. they wouldn't cut into the wind as well as i need and get below the surface. the loaded hab's needles and night 'n gales do just that, get just below the surface sometimes and cut into the wind, even if it is 40 in your face. but, those same loaded hab's needles and night 'n gales wouldn't cut it when there is wind less than less than 10-15 knots. the loaded 1.5 oz hab's i have are around 2-2.5 oz and the loaded 2oz hab's are about 2.5-3 oz. the night 'n gales i use are about 2.5-3oz.

however, if you found a protected cove, as coleman did w/ his 67, the wind is at your back, the light pocket rockets might do fine.

a smart surfcaster is versatile and accomodates for all conditions.

Nebe · 11-01-2006, 09:46 AM

surfhog is coming out with a hard plastic one this winter - all the colors i offer in soft plastic, but hard as nails

RIROCKHOUND · 11-01-2006, 09:46 AM

Damn... put a rush on one for me for this weekend

Nebe · 11-01-2006, 09:56 AM

molds arent done Bry- sooon very soon.

JeffH · 11-01-2006, 10:07 AM

If they are anything like Gag's needlefish once you wet them they will split in two..................

reelecstasy · 11-01-2006, 10:10 AM

That is not true, he had a bad batch, granted it was a large batch but he gladly replaces any plugs from that batch no problem. I have several others of Al's and they are rock solid. I admit i had a few from the "sketchy batch" but Al quickly replaced them all...
A blanket statement saying all his plugs are poorly made is just not true.

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Originally Posted by JeffH

If they are anything like Gag's needlefish once you wet them they will split in two..................

JeffH · 11-01-2006, 10:17 AM

I must have been on the receiving end of the bad batch. Very frustrating when you fish a plug for less than an hour and the next day it's split in two, it happened to both of my Gags needlefish. I'm willing to give him another shot..............

Clogston29 · 11-01-2006, 10:32 AM

Seams like a bad first batch is pretty common with Gag's stuff. I've learned to wait and while and see what happens before buying his stuff. I do like his needles though.

RIROCKHOUND · 11-01-2006, 10:05 AM

I know.. just BSin ya...
Does anyone know if the PR are available locally (SoCo or Newport)?