Incompetent Bastards!

[BigFish]

Is there anyone on this spinning sphere of crap that is worth their salt at their friggin' job??? Lately I have been crushed buy an inundation of incredibly incompetent friggin morons that runs the gamut from unlicensed oil burner technicians to the damn driving school we were supposed to attend with my son tonight!!!! I spent the afternoon acquiring a new birth certificate and a new social security card for my son (because his mother is an epic beyotch!) so his new job at Stop and Shop (that he transferred to from another Stop and Shop) could pay him even though I told them that his former store would have a copy of his social security card in his file as they have been paying him since April!!!!!! Well they contended that they would still need to copy his card for his file.......even though I told them they would not need it!!!! So we got the birth certificate, and the ss card....get to the damn supermarket, hand it to his boss and his boss says.....oh we don't need it it was in his file that arrived today and oh......here are his past 2 pay checks that we thought we could not give him because we did not have his ss card but it turns out we did!!!! Then tonight we are supposed to attend his first drivers ed class at 6:00......get there and the gosh darn friggin place is pitch black and closed!!!!!! WTF!!!! Doesn't anyone know WTF they are doing anymore!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Slipknot]

you should start drinking Bigfish


No, nobody knows what they are doing anymore
total incompetence is America's new motto

[BigFish]

Oh....and this is not to mention the friggin moron at our bank where we went a couple weeks ago to make some changes on our accounts and even after reading back our wishes to us and claiming that everything was all set....the jack off screwed up, took our overdraft protection off of the wrong account and then we got charged a friggin fee for an overdraft due to their error so we went to the bank to get them to fix it and here we are a few days later only to find out they have not fixed it!!!!!!!!!:s mash:

[Backbeach Jake]

Sad but true. I got my furnace repaired after Christmas. Just a relay. These are the folks that forget to bill me and then say nothing. They just don't deliver oil . This time if it happens again I'll sue the socks off them.

[eastendlu]

Must be something in the water up in Mass in New York everyone is competent.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by eastendlu

Must be something in the water up in Mass in New York everyone is competent.

I want you to look at the Mets and Knicks front office and try repeating that again with a straight face.

[eastendlu]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I want you to look at the Mets and Knicks front office and try repeating that again with a straight face.

I was not referring to sports.Plus ya missed the .

[RIJIMMY]

Change!

[afterhours]

God help the masses of the blissfully incompetent......we've helped create them by mere acceptance.

[Backbeach Jake]

Sadly not acceptance but actual assistance. Parboil your crotch with your coffee. Yayyy you're a millionaire!!

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

Parboil your crotch with your coffee. Yayyy you're a millionaire!!

[Dad 818]

Larry, don't forget D&D!

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

Parboil your crotch with your coffee. Yayyy you're a millionaire!!

that's the same as Poached eggs i think

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the oil burner guys told me the fuel line "code" is changing in mass
and it has to have that orange coating on it by july....

[Joe]

I'm not saying it was not a cluster screw up on SS part, but that stuff should all be readily available. When going for a new job, show up with a pencil, references and documentation of citizenship. It shows responsibility to prospective employers and illustrates to your kid how to do it when he's on his own. I got my working papers at 14 and a soc card and went out and got a job without a car or any help from my useless parents.

[Joe]

How quaint. Personally, I work to get ahead.

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by Joe

How quaint. Personally, I work to get ahead.

quaint??? i guess personal pride isn't important to some....getting ahead comes with the territory for some of us . having pride goes a long way towards preventing the man from keeping you down...

[Joe]

I dug ditches at East Greenwich Cemetery in my youth. Nice square corners, standard width, length, depth, dirt piled neatly on a tarp. I took a lot of pride in it. I find that usually the ditch digger analogy is used by people who never dug ditches. A couple of times they tried out college kids to help. They lasted about half a hole. I felt like cracking them over the head with the pick and putting them below where the liner was going. Good luck finding their pansy as_es with a cadaver dog in a grave yard. I could do three a day.

[FishermanTim]

My analogy would be:"If I had to shovel sh*t, I'd be the best damn sh*t shoveler there is!"
I agree that personal pride is a driving factor for those of us that actually worked for a living (I mean menial, hard labor work).
Desk jockies aren't quite the same, although the stress and BS can make them qualify when dealing with the public.
I'm not saying anyone doesn't work hard, but a lot of pride in workmanship comes from physical labor, where you develop a sense of pride in your work.
When I was in my teens there was a program in the Boston area called "Rent a Kid" where elderly residents could hiere a kid to do work for minimum wage. I did everything from painting. landscaping, general upkeep of properties and met some very interesting people along the way. When I left for the day, I left with a feeling of pride and ALWAYS got a shining review when the program called the customers on the job I ha d done.
I would say that it prepared me for the real world in a sense that hard work and a sense of personal pride do go a long way.

One aspect of my recent office positions is the "hop-scotching" from job to job and company to company.
I always thought that company loyalty was a given for job security, but I have learned that companies no longer think that way.
The thinking has gone to "the squeaky wheel gets the oil" (Conplain and get what you want, at the expense of everyone else.) and "let's reward the person that just left a competitor and came to us, so that they can do the same to us in a couple of months/years". (I'll apply at a competitor, get a raise that way, instead of working my way up the ranks, and I'll leapfrog my way up the corporate ladder without any real experience. Oh. and I'll do it again in a year and go back to the first company and start the process all over again!)

Our country's employment motto should be (in your best south-of-the-boarder accent) "It's not my yob!"

[Joe]

Every year you don't get a raise your lifetime earnings decline by how many years left if you were to remain with your current employer. So if you are 30 and you don't get that $2000 raise, and stay loyal until retirement, you lose $2000 each year for your 35 remaining working years at your place of employment. Three or four years without a raise will severely impact your lifetime earnings.

[Backbeach Jake]

Originally Posted by Joe

Every year you don't get a raise your lifetime earnings decline by how many years left if you were to remain with your current employer. So if you are 30 and you don't get that $2000 raise, and stay loyal until retirement, you lose $2000 each year for your 35 remaining working years at your place of employment. Three or four years without a raise will severely impact your lifetime earnings.

And that's a fact. After 40 years in my business, I am truly saddened and confused by the attitude of employers toward employees. The grunts are now disposable and no longer considered assets. Hard work is rewarded with more and more hard work, nothing more. an ever increasing work load to maintain an ever increasing profit. The method of figureing profit today puzzles me. Every month has to be more than the last.Employees are cut out, not worthy of any investment whatsoever. Employee moral deteriorates,production flags, and it all becomes a viscious cycle.
I'm at an age where I get a SS guestimate from Uncle Sam. My income has been on a slide for 12 years. 15 of my 40 years have been rewarded with no increase of rate. I'm far from being alone.

[Joe]

Regardless of who dies in the night, most companies will still open in the morning. If your Dad came over now as opposed to the early 60's he'd find that organized labor is pretty much kaput outside of the public sector and auto industry. Everyone's job description these days includes 'duties assigned by supervisor.' Your Dad and his employer sounded like honorable men - not too many of those left either.

[Backbeach Jake]

A lot of the old playground "change the rules as you go" with no consideration that your guys have to eat too. Word is no longer a bond , but merely a tool to use against and not with. Resentment builds as a result. Sad, really.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

A lot of the old playground "change the rules as you go" with no consideration that your guys have to eat too. Word is no longer a bond , but merely a tool to use against and not with. Resentment builds as a result. Sad, really.

I agree that there are mean, greedy people. That's part of the human population's attitude/personality bell curve. And some of those people, for sure, run a business. But I believe, and my experience backs it up for me, that the huge portion of that bell curve is populated with those of normal to exceptional capacity for compassion, love, and the good qualities of human nature. And many of those people run a business. Again, from my experience, the larger a business is, the more impersonal it is, the more compartmental it is, and the more prone it is to hire replaceable employees who do routine, prescribed duties. Whether it has evolved naturally, or through a combination of Henry Ford's invention of the production line/plus the ensuing collective bargaining/and the ensuing government regulation mix, or all of the above, large businesses that are mostly populated with normally compassionate beings have to run on a highly regulated, bottom line, competitive basis. This process has led, in those societies who employ it, to a rise in common standard of living. And that standard has become so habitual and expected, that instead of comparing how relatively rich we have become compared to our ancestors and to third world standards, we compare our condition to our neighbor, co-worker, boss, or to our own better times. Have we lost some "human" quality in the work place? Compared to what?

[Crafty Angler]

Originally Posted by Joe

... Your Dad and his employer sounded like honorable men - not too many of those left either.

Geez, Joe - talk about quaint concepts

Honor, the dignity of labor, a sense of personal ethics and social conscience are just old concepts that seem to generate little more than a smirk anymore - not only are they hopelessly antiquated, they're actually regarded as a sure sign of personal weakness and an impediment to any real financial success

What has happened in the workplace in the last 30 years goes beyond what anyone could have ever believed would come to pass - I can only imagine my late father's anger and disgust were he alive today

We've really regressed back to the accepted business and labor practices of the late 19th century's robber barons - and all the advances that were made over the course of almost 100 years to better the lot of working men and protect them from exploitation and abuse by their employers have been wiped out by the push for business deregulation started by Reagan in the '80's

Whatever monies the middle class had been able to put aside at one time when their rights were protected and wages rose have been siphoned off by a deregulated banking system whose most profitable practices today were once illegal

As I see it, the real problem isn't incompetence, it's part of the current climate of overwhelming disrespect and disregard in the workplace that filters through everyday life

Competence and pride in one's work, whatever that work may be, are really one and the same and that was once recognized and rewarded with a good living wage

Today, incompetence in one's work seems to be a form of passive-aggressive behavior against substandard wages as much as anything else