Stripers Forever

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Striped Bass Gamefish on Vimeo

[ivanputski]

Great video... thanks for posting

[Tagger]

Stripers Forever .... love it ...

[soups]

It's the sad truth

[Dick Durand]

Love the concept of stripers as a recreational fish; however, if the economic argument is to be a selling point, then it becomes necessary to somehow disarm the charter industry, which is presumed to generate local revenue, but we know stalks breeders for their clients.

[robc22]

[stripermaineiac]

Very nice. Kinda hits the nail right on the head.

[Haus]

Is there one person in the entire world that makes their living commercial fishing striped bass?
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[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by Haus

Is there one person in the entire world that makes their living commercial fishing striped bass?
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My commercial striped bass fishing is included in my yearly income. It helps the local economy,it buys fuel, oil, dockage and some eateries around town.

It is not the commercial end of the striped bass fishery that is detrimental to the fishery. The commercial fishery last only 17-25 days before the qouta is reached. recreational fishing goes for 8 months. If anything you the recreational fishermen do more harm to the fishery.

If we want stripers for ever maybe it is time to limit the number of recreational fishermen along the New England coast and up and down the Atlantic. A lottery for a recreational striped bass license like they do for moose. There are just to many recreational fishermen for the species to maybe keep it sustainable. Recently along the Jersey coast there were a couple of hundred recs on the waters edge of the beach standing shoulder to shoulder fishing a striper blitz, reminds me of the groups of fishermen that once were able to snag for salmon.

[toaster816]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

My commercial striped bass fishing is included in my yearly income. It helps the local economy,it buys fuel, oil, dockage and some eateries around town.

It is not the commercial end of the striped bass fishery that is detrimental to the fishery. The commercial fishery last only 17-25 days before the qouta is reached. recreational fishing goes for 8 months. If anything you the recreational fishermen do more harm to the fishery.

If we want stripers for ever maybe it is time to limit the number of recreational fishermen along the New England coast and up and down the Atlantic. A lottery for a recreational striped bass license like they do for moose. There are just to many recreational fishermen for the species to maybe keep it sustainable. Recently along the Jersey coast there were a couple of hundred recs on the waters edge of the beach standing shoulder to shoulder fishing a striper blitz, reminds me of the groups of fishermen that once were able to snag for salmon.

There is a very large portion of recreational fisherman that practice something called catch and release. What percent of the comm's do that? Poor argument.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Recently along the Jersey coast there were a couple of hundred recs on the waters edge of the beach standing shoulder to shoulder fishing a striper blitz, .

Wow, look at how good the fishing gets when a state prohibits commercial utilization. Think of all the local economic benefit those guys created.

Nice example.

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Wow, look at how good the fishing gets when a state prohibits commercial utilization. Think of all the local economic benefit those guys created.

Nice example.

The fish on there migration south facing the on slaught of recreational fishermen, has nothing to do about commercial fishing.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

The fish on there migration south facing the on slaught of recreational fishermen, has nothing to do about commercial fishing.

Sure it does.

200 guys in the picture each kill and keep 2 fish (not likely at all) and 400 fish are dead for the benefit of 200 guys.

20 commercial guys off Chatham catch and kill 20 bass each for profit (not at all UNlikely) and 400 bass are dead for the benefit of 20 guys.

So who is getting their fair share and which group does more to profit the community?

You do the math.

[toaster816]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

My commercial striped bass fishing is included in my yearly income. It helps the local economy,it buys fuel, oil, dockage and some eateries around town.
That isn't a great argument for the justification of fishing stripers commercially. Rec's can say they take home stripers to supplement their food and ease grocery costs. Equally frivolous.

It is not the commercial end of the striped bass fishery that is detrimental to the fishery. The commercial fishery last only 17-25 days before the qouta is reached. recreational fishing goes for 8 months. If anything you the recreational fishermen do more harm to the fishery.
In those 17 to 25 days what is the quota? I assume it is significant. Fish traps can catch a lot more bass in a tide than me and a few of my buddies with some dead eels.

If we want stripers for ever maybe it is time to limit the number of recreational fishermen along the New England coast and up and down the Atlantic. A lottery for a recreational striped bass license like they do for moose.
I wouldn't be opposed to limiting the recreational take with tags. I am willing to bet a large portion of recreational anglers wouldn't even take their yearly limit.

There are just to many recreational fishermen for the species to maybe keep it sustainable. Recently along the Jersey coast there were a couple of hundred recs on the waters edge of the beach standing shoulder to shoulder fishing a striper blitz, reminds me of the groups of fishermen that once were able to snag for salmon.
I still say the impact isn't as significant. These blitz's you see that draw the huge crowds don't happen every day of the year. Of those hundreds of rec's did every guy take two fish? I highly doubt it.

Do you think recreational fishing killed the blue fin stocks too?

[afterhours]

i believe the majority of rec fisherman favor vast reductions across the board and a high percentage practice responsible c&r........damned recs- they're ruining it for everyone . gamefish status now.

[toaster816]

It seems like a no brainer to make them a gamefish.

I would be interested to hear from other guys who fish them commercially and depend on that income as a means to justify the fishery. To pay for fuel, oil and dock fees is a horse shi t.

[UserRemoved1]

Striped Bass will never be a gamefish.



Man is too greedy.

[ProfessorM]

I have fished it comm. for years and would luv to see it a gamefish, no one keeps any. Just C & R, just plain fun. As long as it is legal to do so I will participate, although not as hard as I once did as I am losing steam, as the quota will be met weather I do or do not. Make it a gamefish and I will have no problem with that. In fact deep down inside I hope for that. Just my opinion. P.

[MAKAI]

I always figure this axiom eventually works it's way into common law.

" The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few "

[Chesapeake Bill]

Originally Posted by MAKAI

I always figure this axiom eventually works it's way into common law.

" The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few "

Makai,

You are right. There are many more people who eat rockfish in restaurants and from fish houses without ever fishing for them than there are recreational fishermen. Instead of fighting over whether they should be a gamefish or not (after which NMFS will merely use other laws to curtail the recreational fun as governments often do) time and effort is better spent influencing the allocations and methods used to catch the fish. But, this is just my opinion and we all know what opinions are like...

Bill

By the way, we are still in to them here in the Chesapeake and I'm headed out now to catch a few...and I'll even release some of them!

[Team Rock On]

You're forgetting that the commercial fishermen provides 100% of the population the opportunity to eat these fish. Recreational striper fisherman represent less than 1% of the population but kill the majority of the fish, mostly for fun. So supporting Stripers for Dinner instead of radical groups like PETA and Stripers Forever is far better for over 99% of the population.

[afterhours]

[QUOTE=Team Rock On; Recreational striper fisherman represent less than 1% of the population but kill the majority of the fish, mostly for fun.

yep mostly for fun...... comms fish fo' 99 % the people- i love it! lets kill them all fo' the people!

[MAKAI]

It's probably because I'm too close to the source, but I have never seen anyone buy a piece of striped bass. Either at a restaurant or fish market. Cod, haddock,halibut,tuna, salmon seem to be the dominant fish choice. Besides at the prices I've seen it at the cape markets why would you ?

Not preaching, just curious where they all go ?

[MikeToole]

Originally Posted by Team Rock On

You're forgetting that the commercial fishermen provides 100% of the population the opportunity to eat these fish. Recreational striper fisherman represent less than 1% of the population but kill the majority of the fish, mostly for fun. So supporting Stripers for Dinner instead of radical groups like PETA and Stripers Forever is far better for over 99% of the population.

I meant to add this as one of my top 10 disingenuous statements.

I would bet that recreational fisherman supply the non-fishing general public with as many stripers as does commercial fishing if not more. Plus in most cases it is free. Remember most recreational fisherman who keep fish supply their non-fishing family members and often friends and relatives with fish. I only kept one this year and I know that 8 non-fishing public got a free striper meal from it.

Support stripers for dinner and the results will be no stripers for anyone. Support SF and there is a good chance we'll end up with a healthy striper population.

[Saltheart]

Originally Posted by Team Rock On

You're forgetting that the commercial fishermen provides 100% of the population the opportunity to eat these fish. Recreational striper fisherman represent less than 1% of the population but kill the majority of the fish, mostly for fun. So supporting Stripers for Dinner instead of radical groups like PETA and Stripers Forever is far better for over 99% of the population.

I hear this all the time from the commercial fisherman. Providing fish to 99% of the population. this sounds like a public service but in fact , in return for so much money per pound , commercial fisherman, ditributors and even the markets form a supply chain. Its fish for money. Now do you really think someone who goes to the market and buys the fish for $10 a pound is more "entitled" to the fish than a guy who gets up at 4am and goes down and catches the fish?

To "supply the masses" of consumers , commercial fishing should be commecial fish farming. Just like chicken and beef , the fish should be farmed. To think that a commercial guy is entitled to a bigger share of the pie because he sells his fish and it gets distributed is a good way of taking away the focus that an individual commercial fisherman gets more than his share (his share not the consumer market share) of the fish.

Anyway , I am not anti com fishing but lets not play games that they are doing a public service providing fish to the population. Its a business and they take fish and sell it for money.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

I hear this all the time from the commercial fisherman. Providing fish to 99% of the population. this sounds like a public service but in fact , in return for so much money per pound , commercial fisherman, ditributors and even the markets form a supply chain. Its fish for money. Now do you really think someone who goes to the market and buys the fish for $10 a pound is more "entitled" to the fish than a guy who gets up at 4am and goes down and catches the fish?

To "supply the masses" of consumers , commercial fishing should be commecial fish farming. Just like chicken and beef , the fish should be farmed. To think that a commercial guy is entitled to a bigger share of the pie because he sells his fish and it gets distributed is a good way of taking away the focus that an individual commercial fisherman gets more than his share (his share not the consumer market share) of the fish.

Anyway , I am not anti com fishing but lets not play games that they are doing a public service providing fish to the population. Its a business and they take fish and sell it for money.

The flaw in the logic in the quoted post is that the percentage of the population that eats commercially-caught striped bass is a lot closer to 1% of the population than 100%.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

I hear this all the time from the commercial fisherman. Providing fish to 99% of the population. this sounds like a public service but in fact , in return for so much money per pound , commercial fisherman, ditributors and even the markets form a supply chain. Its fish for money. Now do you really think someone who goes to the market and buys the fish for $10 a pound is more "entitled" to the fish than a guy who gets up at 4am and goes down and catches the fish?

To "supply the masses" of consumers , commercial fishing should be commecial fish farming. Just like chicken and beef , the fish should be farmed. To think that a commercial guy is entitled to a bigger share of the pie because he sells his fish and it gets distributed is a good way of taking away the focus that an individual commercial fisherman gets more than his share (his share not the consumer market share) of the fish.

Anyway , I am not anti com fishing but lets not play games that they are doing a public service providing fish to the population. Its a business and they take fish and sell it for money.

Do you labor for nothing? Do you give your stuff away? Why should fishermen who commercially fish do so for nothing? And remember the millions of dollars spent every year on striped bass management are supplied by the general public. How long do you think that will continue (especially in this economy) if the general public has no access to the fish?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

Do you labor for nothing? Do you give your stuff away? Why should fishermen who commercially fish do so for nothing? And remember the millions of dollars spent every year on striped bass management are supplied by the general public. How long do you think that will continue (especially in this economy) if the general public has no access to the fish?

I think his point was that some people boast about the "public service" the commercial sector does by providing table fare to those that enjoy striped bass but do not fish, while minimizing how much they mention that they get paid for it.

I don't think any reasonable person would expect commercial fishermen to work for nothing. At the same time, they're doing no more of a public service than the gas station attendant who puts gas in your tank for money or the dentist who cleans your teeth for in exchange for a check.

[stripermaineiac]

LOL That is so rich. Yup I'm greedy so I won't give up nuthin but your conservation minded so you need to give up all LOL.Greedy never change. Sportfishing is for a great big bunch of people commercial fishing for stripers is only for a small greedy few.Many of which make huge money already.As far as it's better for 99% to commercial fish well that's about as smart as saying we need to open up trout streams nationwide for commercial trout fishing instead of farming for them so that 99% of the population can have them too LOL.
The video shows a lot of well thought out points unlike all you hear from commercials. We want more and don't wanna give up nothin period. it's all everybody elses fault. MMMMMMM How many times have sportfishermen given up more n more -catch n release,bag limits,size limits,moratoriums an so on. when was the last time you heard commercial striper fishermen want to give up anything and take any responsability for the damage that they do.I have the ability like so many other hard core striper fishermen to kill a couple thousand stripers a yr but don't many of us keep a couple a yr so that there are fish for the future.Commercials just plain kill for a buck and throw dead culls back all the time. Conservation be damned.

[chefchris401]

As someone who has worked in the restaurant business for the past 16 years and worked for a wholesale seafood company as a production manager, the amount of waste that is generated is insane.

I don't even care for eating striped bass, it will never be my first choice even though I have a ton of killer recipes.

The place we buy our seafood from gets em in every year, all the fish they get are cows, I'm talking big fish, it's really sad for me as a fisherman to see all these great fish just laying on the floor while illegals chop it up.

I have the opportunity to sell all the striped bass I could catch, legally and illegally, restaurants back door stuff all the time and people always ask for me to bring it by and sell to them on the hush hush.

I could easily make myself some serious cash on the side illegally if I wanted to, probably enough in one season to pay off some serious debt.

The thought of extra cash in my pocket is a strong force, but I could and would never bring myself to sell and fish I have so much passion for.

The catch and release is what drives me to fish as much as I do.

There's no better feeling than letting a big girl swim out of your hands.

I know most people here feel the same way.

I hope they make some serious changes and my kids will get to experience this great sport fish we have now and are taking for granted
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