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Old 10-18-2013, 09:09 AM   #1
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Robert Redford says republicans are racist

When even you know that you cannot debate what the Republicans are saying, when what they are saying is so irrefutably correct, there's always the race card. Say it ain't so, Sundance.

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I am 'racist' and 'afraid of change'.

When the Nazis occupied France, some French formed the resistance, to fight back. Would Redford accuse them of being 'afraid of change', because they didn't embrace Hitler?

You know what? When the 'change' is mathematically guaranteed to cause ruin, you're goddamned right I'm afraid of it.

Are these people really this stupid? Does Redford genuinely believe that fiscal responsibility is based on racism? Or do these billionaire liberals want the economy to collapse, because that will make them even more wealthy than the rest of us? I ponder that sometimes. In the short-term, liberal economics eliminates economic upward mobility for the poor, by enslaving them to welfare. In the long term, te entitlements that liberals support, cannot fail to bring large scale economic harm to those that are not filthy rich.

Is that their intent? To keep the lines short on the ferry to Nantucket?
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:45 AM   #2
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Is he any different than former Rep Allen West other then West was elected by the Reps?


Florida Rep. Allen West's controversial comments have once again landed him in the headlines – this time with the sort of accusation not seen in Congress since the 1950s.
At a town hall meeting with constituents in Jensen Beach, West was asked how many members of Congress are "card-carrying Marxists."

According to CNN affiliate WPEC, West responded, "I believe there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democratic Party that are members of the Communist Party."
West's campaign manager, Tim Edison, pointed reporters to West's next comments, when he says the members in question belong to the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
"This group advocates for state control over industries, redistribution of wealth, reduced individual economic freedom and the destruction of free markets," Edison added in a statement. "These members of Congress advocate the type of policies that have put Europe on the brink of economic and fiscal collapse, and are driving the United States in the same direction. It is interesting that amid the swirl of feigned outrage and media misreporting of the Congressman’s remarks, all the attention is focused on the semantics, but no one is disputing the Progressive Caucus’s support for policies central to socialist and even Marxist systems."
The Congressional Progressive Caucus responded to West's comments with a statement calling the comment and others like it "personal attacks."
"Calling fellow Members of Congress 'communists' is reminiscent of the days when Joe McCarthy divided Americans with name-calling and modern-day witch hunts that don't advance policies to benefit people's lives," the statement, by caucus co chairs Reps. Ral M. Grijalva and Keith Ellison, read.
A spokesman for the Communist Party USA said Wednesday that the remarks are "not the epithet it once was."
"We think it's ridiculous statement and totally untrue. It's clear he's trying to give the impression that there are people with a secret agenda in the Congress," party vice chair Libero Della Piana said.
"We don't take offense at it. Really it wasn't a statement about us at all," he added, but rather a myth about Democrats.
Last summer, West wrote an email to Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz describing her as "the most vile, unprofessional and despicable member of the US House of Representatives." Last February, he described a fellow member of Congress who is Muslim as "someone that really does represent the antithesis of the principles upon which this country was established."
West was suggested as a possible GOP vice presidential nominee last week by the party's most recent nominee, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. The first term congressman said on CNN's "Newsroom" that he is open to the possibility.
"(My family) has always stepped up to the plate to serve our country, and if it's the right thing, then I will do so. But I really doubt that would ever happen," he said.
But, he has said, Romney has yet to call.
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Is West still a contributer on Fox news?
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:04 AM   #4
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Is he any different than former Rep Allen West other then West was elected by the Reps?


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West is a heroic combat vet who served our country in ways that would make most of us wet our pants, while Redford has lived a life of celebrity and unimaginable wealth. West has been in some tough spots, I have seen his military resume. Redford is a noodle-brained celebrity, who like many of them, seemingly has no appreciation for the concerns of people who aren't uber-rich. And who unfortunately has made 2 of my favorite movies (The Sting, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid)

West, like Michelle Bachman, is someone with whom I agree on most issues, but he says things that do more harm than good. There are lots of conservatives who cringe when West says kooky stuff. I don't see similar condemnation when liberals, without end, play the race card, with no evidence whatsoever.

The othe rdifference is, on the issue of our debt, West is obviously correct, Redford is obviously wrong. That's the main difference. Two jerks, both saying uncivilized things. Only one of them gets called out for saying the uncivilized things. And only one, the same one, happens to be on the corrcet side of the issue of our spending.

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That was a joke. There is no difference. You make me shake my head and laugh. So is sounds like you're defending West.

Is he still getting paid by Fox?
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:34 AM   #6
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That was a joke. There is no difference. You make me shake my head and laugh. So is sounds like you're defending West.

Is he still getting paid by Fox?
I am absolutely defending the man. West has the same fault as Redford - a propensity for saying kooky things. That's where the similarity ends.

West is a combat vet. Redford is a wealthy celebrity who lives a life on uminaginable excess.

West is demonstrably correct on the issue of our debt. Redford is ignoring elementary school math to arrive at his conclusions.

Redford says that West is racist. Genius.

SInce I don't work in the HR Department at Foxnews, I cannot know if he gets paid by them. Nor do I really care.
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How pathetic is it when you justify unexceptable behavior by pointing out other cases of unexceptable behavior .
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How pathetic is it when you have to cherry pick a single person to white wash an entire segment of the population.

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How pathetic is it when you have to cherry pick a single person to white wash an entire segment of the population.

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I'd wager that not one member of the KKK voted for Obama. There's your proof that Redford was on to something.
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and how pathetic that the OP has to constantly posts things done/said by people he doesn't like and attributes them to all people who he thinks are of that political party.

Maybe it went over your head that the reason I did it was to show that there are people on both sides of the political spectrum who do the same thing.
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and how pathetic that the OP has to constantly posts things done/said by people he doesn't like and attributes them to all people who he thinks are of that political party.

Maybe it went over your head that the reason I did it was to show that there are people on both sides of the political spectrum who do the same thing.
Paul S and Spence, it is a very common tactic for liberals to play the race card, in the hopes of demonizing the conservatives. In the other thread, I posted a crystal clear case of Obama himself doing it, At the expense of John McCain, a war her who adopted a black girl. I'm not making that up.

There are jerks on both sides. And not every single liberal plays the race card. But huge numbers of them do. They have to, it's all they have. It's better than trying to explain why almost $100 trillion in debt isn't a problem that we need to address. It's much easier to yell 'racist'!

I notice that neither you nor Spence condemned what Redford said.
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I notice that neither you nor Spence condemned what Redford said.
Jim, Redford never called all Republicans racist...you simply made that up.

The irony of course is that in your fake outrage over Redford stereotyping Republicans you stereotype liberals.

Classic. You've become a parody of yourself.

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and how pathetic that the OP has to constantly posts things done/said by people he doesn't like and attributes them to all people who he thinks are of that political party.

Maybe it went over your head that the reason I did it was to show that there are people on both sides of the political spectrum who do the same thing.
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and how pathetic that the OP has to constantly posts things done/said by people he doesn't like and attributes them to all people who he thinks are of that political party.

Maybe it went over your head that the reason I did it was to show that there are people on both sides of the political spectrum who do the same thing.
Am I to assume the entire hypocrisy of what you just posted went over your head?
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Jim, Redford never called all Republicans racist...you simply made that up.

The irony of course is that in your fake outrage over Redford stereotyping Republicans you stereotype liberals.

Classic. You've become a parody of yourself.

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He said those who oppose Obamacare, like Allen West for instance, are racist. I'm sure that comes as a surprise to Mr West.

redford's stereotype, that opposition to Obamacare is racist, is demonstrably false. my stereotype, that liberals like to play the race card rather than have an honest discussion, is demonstrably true.

You're still not denouncing what he said, I see. Thanks for perpetuating the stereotype.
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He actually never said such a thing.

Funny, you demand condemnation and you haven't even really understood what you want people to condemn.

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I'd wager that not one member of the KKK voted for Obama. There's your proof that Redford was on to something.
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Good God.

If Redford said that membership in the KKK was rooted in racism, he's be on to something. That's not what he said. He said opposition to Obamacare was racist. Apples and oranges.

95% of blacks voted for Obama. So using your logic (that voting against Obama makes you anti-black), can I similarly say that blacks are anti-white because of the way they overwhelmingly voted for Obama?
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He actually never said such a thing.

Funny, you demand condemnation and you haven't even really understood what you want people to condemn.

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"He actually never said such a thing."

are you illiterate? Here is an exact quote...

"There's a body of congressional people that want to paralyze the system. I think what's unfortunately underneath it is racism"

Which "body" of congressional people was he referring to? The Congressional Black Caucus?

I'm not demanding anything. I'm pointing out the truth, which is that neither you nor Paul have said that his statement is irresponsible.
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imho he needs to stick to horses....

maybe Whisper a little something in their ears.
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"There's a body of congressional people that want to paralyze the system. I think what's unfortunately underneath it is racism"

Which "body" of congressional people was he referring to? The Congressional Black Caucus?
So NOW you're a Congressman???

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I pick on Obama because he is Irish
Stanley Dunham is the grandfather of Barack Obama. He was born in 1918 and served as a sergeant in the U.S. Army during World War II, enlisting just after the attacks on Pearl Harbor. Stanley and his wife Madelyn raised Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii. In addition to Obama, Stanley is related to six US presidents: James Madison, Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush.[31][32] He died in Honolulu, Hawaii, in 1992, and is buried at the Punchbowl National Cemetery.

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Stanley Dunham is the grandfather of Barack Obama. He was born in 1918 and served as a sergeant in the U.S. Army during World War II, enlisting just after the attacks on Pearl Harbor. Stanley and his wife Madelyn raised Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii. In addition to Obama, Stanley is related to six US presidents: James Madison, Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush.[31][32] He died in Honolulu, Hawaii, in 1992, and is buried at the Punchbowl National Cemetery.
So what you really saying is that Obama's Kenyan sensibilities came from somewhere else?

Please quit with all this veteran stuff, Jim won't be able to handle it.
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So what you really saying is that Obama's Kenyan sensibilities came from somewhere else?

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So NOW you're a Congressman???

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Spence, I see what happened...I didn't mean to say that redford claimed that all registered Republicans are racist. What I meant to say, and I am correct, is this...Redford claimed that the Republicans in congress are racist. His proof? Did he see them at a Klan rally? Nope. His proof is that they disagreed with Obama. That makes them racist.

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You'd lose that wager. Former Senator Robert Byrd was a democrat from WV. The democrats made him president pro tempe of the Senate, putting him, I believe, 4th in line for Presidential succession. Not only was he in the klan, he was a wizard. It's a safe bet he voted for Obama, his party's nominee.
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You'd lose that wager. Former Senator Robert Byrd was a democrat from WV. The democrats made him president pro tempe of the Senate, putting him, I believe, 4th in line for Presidential succession. Not only was he in the klan, he was a wizard. It's a safe bet he voted for Obama, his party's nominee.
I don't believe he was a wizard, but regardless...he got caught up in it when he was young and had long since repudiated the klan. You do realize you're stretching back to the 1940's don't you?
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Spence, I see what happened...I didn't mean to say that redford claimed that all registered Republicans are racist. What I meant to say, and I am correct, is this...Redford claimed that the Republicans in congress are racist. His proof? Did he see them at a Klan rally? Nope. His proof is that they disagreed with Obama. That makes them racist.
He didn't claim register Republicans are all racist. What are you reading?

He said that SOME in Congress are motivated partly by racism. On this he's 100% correct. He also said some motivation is a reluctance to change. On this he's also 100% correct. He's it's akin to saying they oppose Obama because they're conservatives.

Oh, the horror.

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