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Old 02-08-2017, 08:37 AM   #1
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Ill conceived and poorly rolled out.

I know the thread will be hijacked in short order, because that apparently is the way this board operates. I think we can all agree on one thing, what is happening world wide by terrorists is tragic, however this travel ban is not what IMHO was needed to beef up our homeland security.

In the fifteen years after 9/11, jihadists have killed 94 people inside the United States. Each of those deaths is a tragedy. The attack in Orlando was the deadliest terrorist attack in the United States since 9/11 and the deadliest mass shooting in American history. However, the attacks are not national catastrophes of the type the United States experienced on 9/11. Instead the death toll has been quite similar to other forms of political—and even non-political—violence Americans face today.

I'm more likely to slip on ice today and kill myself than be killed by a terrorist attack, to put such a black eye on the American Brand by rolling out this typical Trump shoot first and think about it later policy is just stupid. Why not get your cabinet in place first? Why not get yourself educated by sitting down with the people that have an intimate knowledge of the real world first?

I think all he has accomplished is to put people on the streets and maybe that's his twisted plan, direct everyone's attention elsewhere so he (Bannon) can get some other things slipped through the back door. He hasn't made us safer, he's given the not jobs the best recruiting propaganda they could have ever dreamed of and it's the home grown waiting in the wings nuts that they recruit that I'd be more afraid of; not someone coming in from any of those 7 countries with green card or visa.

I guess if they had a Trump golf course and casino, they could have gotten the pass that Saudi did.

His kissing up to and bolstering Putin......OMG don't even get me started on that one.
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Listen. This is a strategy right out of the late 1930's German playbook. First you have to get everyone divided on and issue and scramble their heads with rediculius propaganda and while everyone is freaking out, you slip through the juicy stuff that you might not be able to get away with if everyone was calm and able to pay attention to the important details.

I've stopped caring and am just sitting back watching the world burn. In 2 years the voting cycle will hopefully swing the pendulum back.
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Heres a good read if you have an open mind.

https://www.facinghistory.org/resour...nda-conformity
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I know the thread will be hijacked in short order, because that apparently is the way this board operates. I think we can all agree on one thing, what is happening world wide by terrorists is tragic, however this travel ban is not what IMHO was needed to beef up our homeland security.

In the fifteen years after 9/11, jihadists have killed 94 people inside the United States. Each of those deaths is a tragedy. The attack in Orlando was the deadliest terrorist attack in the United States since 9/11 and the deadliest mass shooting in American history. However, the attacks are not national catastrophes of the type the United States experienced on 9/11. Instead the death toll has been quite similar to other forms of political—and even non-political—violence Americans face today.

I'm more likely to slip on ice today and kill myself than be killed by a terrorist attack, to put such a black eye on the American Brand by rolling out this typical Trump shoot first and think about it later policy is just stupid. Why not get your cabinet in place first? Why not get yourself educated by sitting down with the people that have an intimate knowledge of the real world first?

I think all he has accomplished is to put people on the streets and maybe that's his twisted plan, direct everyone's attention elsewhere so he (Bannon) can get some other things slipped through the back door. He hasn't made us safer, he's given the not jobs the best recruiting propaganda they could have ever dreamed of and it's the home grown waiting in the wings nuts that they recruit that I'd be more afraid of; not someone coming in from any of those 7 countries with green card or visa.

I guess if they had a Trump golf course and casino, they could have gotten the pass that Saudi did.

His kissing up to and bolstering Putin......OMG don't even get me started on that one.
Isn't it possible that the reason there have been a small number of terrorist murders, is that we are being aggressive and playing offense?

The Obama administration concluded that these 7 countries were not helping us vet the refugees. Maybe Trump is being too alarmist when he says that poses a threat, maybe he is spot on. But Obama's administration identified these 7 countries very specifically.

Trump says some things that are going very easy on Putin. But the cabinet he is building, looks to me like a group who believes that the way to deal with Putin is from a position of strength.
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just sayin....

Thursday, February 02, 2017

Despite continuing protests and legal challenges, just over half of voters favor President Trump's temporary refugee ban, although there's a lot less concern about the threat of domestic Islamic terrorism.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 52% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a ban that keeps refugees from all countries from entering the United States for the next four months until there is a better system in place to keep out individuals who are terrorist threats.

Most voters approve of President Trump’s temporary halt to refugees and visitors from several Middle Eastern and African countries until the government can do a better job of keeping out individuals who are terrorist threats.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here.

Most voters think those who overstay their visas are a serious national security threat and that the feds need to take stronger steps to deport them.

Monday, February 06, 2017

Forty-six percent (46%) of Likely U.S. Voters think the country is heading in the right direction, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey for the week ending February 2.

That’s down just a point from the previous week which marked the highest level of optimism in over 12 years of regular surveying.

Wednesday, February 08, 2017

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 53% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.
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And I agree with GS that it was poorly rolled out. The administration could have done more to give the impression that other subject matter experts were included and provided input. I think that was a good point by the OP.
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However, the attacks are not national catastrophes of the type the United States experienced on 9/11.

Do you think it's possible that if we import tens of thousands in a short period of time from areas where jihadists breed that simply on a statistical basis the number of attacks could go up?

Instead the death toll has been quite similar to other forms of political—and even non-political—violence Americans face today.

It's amazing that such a small number of people could cause similar numbers of deaths as occurs in a larger pool of Americans. Again, if we increase the numbers of people that breed this "similar" numbers of deaths, do you think that it's likely or possible for those numbers to rise.


I'm more likely to slip on ice today and kill myself than be killed by a terrorist attack,

Are you more likely to slip on ice and kill yourself than to be killed by your neighbor? How about if you're neighborhood was comprised of a bunch of immigrants from Somalia?


to put such a black eye on the American Brand by rolling out this typical Trump shoot first and think about it later policy is just stupid. Why not get your cabinet in place first? Why not get yourself educated by sitting down with the people that have an intimate knowledge of the real world first?

It was always the American brand, at least until lately, to take precautions against negative foreign influence. The notion of allowing a constant flow of immigrants from different cultures before the assimilation of smaller numbers takes place is rather new.

That "knowledge of the real world" thing is intriguing. Our experts seem to have been getting that wrong for some time now.


I think all he has accomplished is to put people on the streets

Those people put themselves on the streets. They have been doing that a lot lately, well before Trump. Haven't you noticed? And this latest batch, it was revealed, had this planned and ready to spring when Trump did something they could claim was the reason for it.

Hey, it's become part of the American brand to hit the streets in protest over something or other. Trump didn't accomplish that. Various radicals, not all but mostly, from the left have used that tactic for a long, long time in this country and elsewhere.


and maybe that's his twisted plan,

Oh wait . . . so he has a plan, not "Trump shoot first and think about it later policy"?


he's given the not jobs the best recruiting propaganda they could have ever dreamed of

OMG that recruiting propaganda stuff. So anytime you do or say something to protect this country it becomes recruiting propaganda. How come countries like Germany, France, Sweden, et al, who open their borders, act nice, say nice things and provide a good life for immigrants from the Middle East wind up having as much or more terrorist violence than us?

So are we to believe that we were on the verge of abating the successful recruitment terrorists have accomplished before Trump did or said anything, but now recruitment will go up because of Trump. It just seems that some dots are not being connected in solving the recruitment thing. I'm reminded of the conversation I had long ago with a co-worker who said that you shouldn't resist a mugger because you would provoke him to kill you.


and it's the home grown waiting in the wings nuts that they recruit that I'd be more afraid of;

You mean like the home grown BlackLivesMatter folks that are recruited by anti-white presidential rhetoric, or rioters recruited by leftist academic and political rhetoric against conservative speakers, and that sort of stuff? I guess you're more worried about white "supremacists." Yeah, that's been breaking out all over--haven't you noticed all their riots. Or maybe you're worried about the home grown Muslims who'll be recruited to jihad. Hmmm . . . wouldn't that be even more likely if we import more of them, but still try to defeat ISIS and insist that those here assimilate, intermix with the rest of society, freely marry non-Muslims, become American first, support the Constitution over Shariah, and denounce how the people live in those places from which they came?

That "recruitment" stuff is tricky.


not someone coming in from any of those 7 countries with green card or visa.

Jeez . . . I thought the green card and visa thing was cleared up.


I guess if they had a Trump golf course and casino, they could have gotten the pass that Saudi did.

His kissing up to and bolstering Putin......OMG don't even get me started on that one.
Good points.

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Old 02-08-2017, 12:57 PM   #12
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He hasn't made us safer, he's given the not jobs the best recruiting propaganda they could have ever dreamed of
According to this logic (the Dems are beating this drum), anything that we do than angers the jihadists, makes us less safe. So what would you propose? That we do what they want, so they don't have any propaganda to use against us? That's what you do with sociopaths, you give into them? Sure, let's adopt Sharia law, and then nuke Israel for good measure, then they will like us.

Obama ordered the raid that killed Bin Laden, and blew God knows how many to Allah in drone strikes. That isn't giving them recruiting propaganda? They didn't use that against us?
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Actually, it hasn't been hijacked...it's stayed on topic through the first dozen posts...... and civilly I might add.

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just sayin....

Thursday, February 02, 2017

Despite continuing protests and legal challenges, just over half of voters favor President Trump's temporary refugee ban, although there's a lot less concern about the threat of domestic Islamic terrorism.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 52% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a ban that keeps refugees from all countries from entering the United States for the next four months until there is a better system in place to keep out individuals who are terrorist threats.

Most voters approve of President Trump’s temporary halt to refugees and visitors from several Middle Eastern and African countries until the government can do a better job of keeping out individuals who are terrorist threats.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here.

Most voters think those who overstay their visas are a serious national security threat and that the feds need to take stronger steps to deport them.

Monday, February 06, 2017

Forty-six percent (46%) of Likely U.S. Voters think the country is heading in the right direction, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey for the week ending February 2.



That’s down just a point from the previous week which marked the highest level of optimism in over 12 years of regular surveying.
national telephone survey of 2.500 Likely Voters how many actually answered


Wednesday, February 08, 2017

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 53% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove.

and none of of these poll respondents Fears are based on facts

Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey usual only calls 2500 to 1000 numbers no one know how many people actually answered


Rasmussen’s practice of surveying only “likely voters,” rather than the full population, on all subjects earned criticism t this practice “paints a picture of an electorate that is potentially madder than it really is ... And potentially more conservative than it really is.”
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yeah...they should probably survey the full population
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Actually, it hasn't been hijacked...it's stayed on topic through the first dozen posts...... and civilly I might add.
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Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove
Well, It looks like he won the "Popular" Vote.
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300 refugees subjects of FBI terror investigations, U.S. officials say

By Catherine Herridge Published March 06, 2017 FoxNews.com
Officials: 300 refugees subjects of terror investigations


Hundreds of people admitted to the United States as refugees are the subjects of FBI counterterrorism investigations involving ISIS – including some individuals from countries cited on President Trump’s revised travel ban.
Trump’s order, which was announced late Monday morning, temporarily bans travel to those without valid visas from Sudan, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia and Yemen.
Nearly a third of the 1,000 FBI domestic terrorism cases – 300 – involve those admitted to the U.S. as refugees, a Department of Homeland Security official said Monday. That number was confirmed later in the day by Attorney General Jeff Sessions during a news conference. Officials said some of those 300 came to “infiltrate” the U.S., while others were radicalized once they were in the country.
"Like every nation, the United States has a right to control who enters our country and to keep out those who would do us harm," Sessions said.
The officials who spoke Monday morning didn’t detail the current immigration status of those 300 people who were subjects of government terror probes, Reuters reported, citing a source.
One official also sought to clarify the apparent conflict with a leaked DHS report that appeared to show no connection between refugees and terrorism. The official said the draft document, which was reported by The Associated Press on Feb. 24, was not complete, had not been vetted through the interagency process and did not reflect classified information.
FBI Director James Comey said in late 2015 that some 900 terror investigations were going on, and probes were active in every state. But Monday's development marked the first official concrete linkage between the refugee program and terrorism.
At the time, Comey indicated the bureau was stretched thin by the sheer volume of investigations.
"If that becomes the new normal," Comey said, "that would be hard to keep up."
Secretary of Homeland Security John Kelly said the travel ban announced Monday was a key to ansuring the refugee program is conducted safely.
"We must undertake a rigorous review of our visa and refugee vetting programs to increase our confidence in the entry decisions we make for visitors and immigrants to the United States," Kelly said. "We cannot risk the prospect of malevolent actors using our immigration system to take American lives."
Several refugees have already participated in mass attacks in recent years motivated by apparent Islamic radicalism.
Somali refugee Abdul Razak Ali Artan rammed his car into a crowd at The Ohio State University in November after posting a message on Facebook warning America not to interfere with Muslim communities. Somali refugee Dahir Adan reportedly yelled “Allahu Akbar” and asked one victim if they were Muslim during a September rampage in which he stabbed and injured nine people at a Minnesota mall. Seddique Mateen, the father of Pulse nightclub shooter Omar Mateen, is an Afghan refugee. Countless other refugees have been convicted of plotting attacks or planning to join ISIS abroad.
Though they didn’t enter the nation as refugees, several other terrorists have benefited from inadequate vetting to come to the U.S.
Tashfeen Malik, who was born in Pakistan, came to the U.S. on a K-1 “fiancée” visa prior to engaging in a deadly shooting spree with husband Syed Rizwan Farook that killed 14 and injured 22 others in December 2015. Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the brothers who orchestrated the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, were born in Kyrgyzstan and entered the U.S. when their family filed for asylum.

Catherine Herridge is an award-winning Chief Intelligence correspondent for FOX News Channel (FNC) based in Washington, D.C. She covers intelligence, the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security. Herridge joined FNC in 1996 as a London-based correspondent.
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No who what where when(dates) or why they are under investigation

The officials who spoke Monday morning didn’t detail the current immigration status of those 300 people who were subjects of government terror probes

again its only true if you think it is.. another example of hearsay reporting and the right use to justify their actions ...

John Kelly said the travel ban announced Monday was a key to ansuring the refugee program is conducted safely.

Sure it is.. what was kelly doing between the 1st order and this order
??? waiting for the 2nd order sitting on their hands

but Trump again lies but nothing to see .....

President Trump incorrectly claimed Tuesday that 122 Guantanamo Bay detainees who were released under the Obama administration have returned to the battlefield. 122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield.

However, the overwhelming majority of those 121 men, 113 of them, were transferred under President George W. Bush, 8 for President Barack Obama.

but hea fact get in the way again

I would be more afraid of this then refugees: Keeping America safe ???


Funny no photo op for this one ... lets slip this one in


President Donald Trump Tuesday signed a measure nixing a regulation aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of some severely mentally ill people.

two main criteria: a) They were receiving full disability benefits because of a mental illness and couldn't work and b) they were unable to manage their own benefits, thus needing the help of a third party to do so.

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No who what where when(dates) or why they are under investigation
Because when you are investigating someone, it is always prudent to release this information to the press and public.

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Because when you are investigating someone, it is always prudent to release this information to the press and public.

no but lets post the story Hint Hint wink wink they are terrorist
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I believe one of the reasons the appeals Judge in Washingon State disallowed the First draft of the travel ban was that there was no connection between refugees and terrorism here. This article claims to show that "officials" were still in the process of gathering information on the link and the current update makes a connection. According to the article:

"One official also sought to clarify the apparent conflict with a leaked DHS report that appeared to show no connection between refugees and terrorism. The official said the draft document, which was reported by The Associated Press on Feb. 24, was not complete, had not been vetted through the interagency process and did not reflect classified information.
FBI Director James Comey said in late 2015 that some 900 terror investigations were going on, and probes were active in every state. But Monday's development marked the first official concrete linkage between the refugee program and terrorism."

If you don't want to believe it . . . fine with me.
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